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mircea_popescu: honestly, i don't see it's a president's job, that.
decimation: eh? I don't think so
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu perhaps is even easier if i just allow for w.b-a.link/trust/key1/key2/json ?
decimation: other than vague "we work with companies who also have families", which is exactly the same argument one gets from the local mobster I presume
mircea_popescu: ow shit i forgot the porny link.
davout: http://i.imgur.com/00C6KHP.jpg
mircea_popescu: i want !gettrust to match any 32 char string as a key rather than a name
kakobrekla: i dont have gpg info command
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> how does it simplify ? << dja see what i mean ?
PeterL: aha, now I see it
PeterL: for assbot, now I have to use the mouse to highlight the new link, and type the commands
PeterL: well, for gribble I have script that runs curl and gpg and pastes the result
davout: i have nfi what kind of workload it would represent to make some linux fork that's entirely reviewed, assume it'd be pretty massive
assbot: Logged on 10-09-2014 11:54:21; mircea_popescu: other than proper cryptography for all foss, as discussed coupla days re gentoo overlays etc, i would fucking love for all lines of code to come with a counter.
mircea_popescu: kinda why stuff like the wot-foss i was discussing and even gossipd are so important
mircea_popescu: kinda why "adoption" is meaningless. i don't care for anyone to "adopt" anything i do. i might care if they change to fit to it. but otherwise, good fucking luck, there's no value in having a bunch of pacific islanders speak english as if it were the retarded language they spoke before.
asciilifeform: i read it. it was a total snore.
mircea_popescu: "in the most superficial level, some used -h for help, and others ––help. It’s not uniform." << i can't name a tool that doesn't actually honor both.
asciilifeform: 'In April was the jackal born, In June the rain-fed rivers swelled: 'Never in all my life,' said he, 'Have I so great a flood beheld.'' (orwell)
decimation: "So anyway, long story short, we came to the conclusion that Upstart is conceptually wrong, and it moved at glacial speeds. It also had the problem that Canonical tried very hard to stay in control of it. They made sure, with copyright assignment, that they made it really hard to contribute, but that’s what Linux actually lives off. You get these drive-by patches, as I would call them, where people see that something is broken, or
undata: decimation: I wasn't aware of that particular detail
decimation: "So we started writing Systemd, and Red Hat didn’t like it at all. Red Hat management said: no, we’re going for Upstart, don’t work on that. So I said, OK, I’ll work on it in my free time. Eventually Red Hat realised that the problems we solved with Systemd were relevant, and were problems that needed to be solved, and that you couldn’t ignore them."
mircea_popescu: i read it thatthey may only confiscate the guns
mircea_popescu: to acquire a portion of the productively outlayed capital i nthe country.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but i'm willing to believe that there are newer, more appealing chumpatrons
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the street where i live, just a year or so ago, was covered in ads '$7 / trade111!'
decimation: I suppose the principle at work here is that once one has $x, one finds no portion of x to be 'spare'
mircea_popescu: i dispute this theory.
decimation: yeah I'm using it as a somewhat poor example. my main point is that having $x mil to 'invest' allows one to bend over and pick up stuff that bums have no access to
ben_vulpes: i'll settle for 8%/year
mircea_popescu: you know you can buy stocks online these days on about 1k i think ?
mircea_popescu: i never heard of that one.
mircea_popescu: i guess kinda blighted.
ben_vulpes: did i crash assbot?
mircea_popescu: ah you're right. originally i read it as "we'll just keep more of it".
decimation: ah I see that link only has a few pages of the book
decimation: I just can't imagine a future in which I will need to learn 'go' for work or pleasure
decimation: I wouldn't call it 'hate' as much as 'utterly uninterested'
decimation: I find the 'go' rant amusing. Would asciilifeform similarly object to python? I believe it can run on mips
mircea_popescu: hory shit i had to pay half a tent of a bitcent in tx fees. HODL EVERYTHANG!!! MUST INCREASE BLOXSIZE PLOX!
danielpbarron: ya i guess
mircea_popescu: "what my grenadiers are capable of, only I know. their equals might be found. their superiors - no."
mircea_popescu: so there's a small statue in buenos aires with a san martin quote i absolutely love.
xiando: I know, but I don't have to like it. :)
xiando: I would prefer if they don't endorse that or anything and leave it alone.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: i couldn't find good example on top of head. but was jist of it received?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: (and that there is another one, where it wasn't. but i think we did this one before) << like 5 or 7 times.
thestringpuller: 22:13 <+asciilifeform> i have said before that an official usg altcoin is
thestringpuller: but in all srsns, i thought the "popularity contest" died out by the end of high school
thestringpuller: i never understood when going viral became the equivalent of becoming valuable...
danielpbarron: i don't think they are so rational; i suspect it has more to do with "going viral" like a clever youtube video, and having been in on it before it was trendy
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: re: mass adoption << I always felt people wanted mass adoption so price raises.
asciilifeform: i can easily picture an 'atomic war' where every btc which usg has at some point begged, borrowed, stole, or can prevail upon a vassal to give up control of - will be placed on market in a 'last hurrah'
thestringpuller: i can only imagine poor peon running up stream trying to keep water wheel moving
asciilifeform: i'm not seeing any serious evidence of 'long-term' thinking on usg's part.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: I do not see how anyone will contribute to usgavincoin when Buterin's waterfall explodes right after inception.
danielpbarron: "I am slowely being impaled on a sharped stake. Ask me anything."
asciilifeform: i have said before that an official usg altcoin is inevitable.
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: i think the hardfork drama is fundamentally seeing split, or cold war in bitcoin
danielpbarron: what with all the hard fork drama, i'd say anything that can be kept centralized should probably remain centralized
thestringpuller: ah. i understand your viewpoint tho.
asciilifeform: perhaps i'm just thick.
asciilifeform: i'm not averse to seeing actual solutions to 'decentralized xxxxx,' but they inevitably fall short re: 'democracy-proofing'
asciilifeform: (and that there is another one, where it wasn't. but i think we did this one before)
asciilifeform: if that slide deck is genuine, i've a bridge to sell.
undata: I'll stop worrying when it automatically opts me back into location history tracking
mircea_popescu: i know for a fact the usg did not know what was in the leaks until their press agents told em
mircea_popescu: artifexd it's not a strict thing, more like a general consideration. i doubt they managed to react fast enough to do much to 4.14
artifexd: That is what I'm looking at right now.
artifexd: I believe the point is that Snowden didn't say gpg was compromised. However it could have been compromised since he left. Only mircea_popescu knows mircea_popescu's motivation for that spec though.
kakobrekla: updated the welcome message (took out gribble part) and removed ddos warning , i think its gone again?
BingoBoingo: ^ And on that note I'm headed out for a bit.
kakobrekla: but then i forgot to ask wtf am i to do.
kakobrekla: i dared to manually alter source of your rating here http://w.b-a.link/user/assbot
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo / cazalla pls to write-up this truly momentuous development. << lemme catch up on what the news is and I'll hammer something out.
kakobrekla: o wait i have to encrypt those.
asciilifeform: if i want to change keys, i should have to specifically sign a message to that effect.
danielpbarron: i figured that was why you always logged out when not chatting
danielpbarron: if i'm session authed with gribble and someone hacks my irc, they can change my key
danielpbarron: i especially like how changekey now requires auth
cazalla: i have birthday guests in the next 30m so if BingoBoingo can otherwise i'll catch up on logs this evening and write up whatever it is that needs doing
kakobrekla: i could do /otps/$nick and list active ones
mircea_popescu: ah i'm so happy :D
kakobrekla: i guess i can add tat.
kakobrekla: also if we downrate someone to l2=0 you should be able to !down immediately now, although i havent tested it.
PeterL: I did it!
kakobrekla: for example, i have upped myself via pm, yet;
mircea_popescu: i'll get on nano's case to see if he's willing to put it all into gribble.
artifexd: I will pause coding to read "Malicious Crypto" and finish the course. I'll report back when I'm done and made a decision re: golang's crypto libraries.
asciilifeform: i definitely remember that this existed.
mircea_popescu: i been looking for it magically can't find it. the one that had the rsa break in the last fascicle
asciilifeform: artifexd: i recommend a particular monograph, 'malicious crypto' by a. l. young & moti m. young.
artifexd: Can you explain to me how *I* could do it?
artifexd: I'm talking about the identity keys.
artifexd: How could the crypto routines be compromised in a way that would matter? Weak key generation? gossipd doesn't generate keys. Weak rng during encryption? I pick the rng (and can offer an option for you to supply your own). Encrypting a message with an "extra" key so peet can read it? That should be easy to see in the code.
asciilifeform: i'll save the rest for when artifexd posts his apparatus.
mircea_popescu: if i pick a barber i don't go by the straight razor brand.
asciilifeform: i confess, never imagined this could be.
mircea_popescu: well ok, sure, but still. i dun see the problem, so b-a guy wants to play with go. his choice, his signature, why is this an issue.
asciilifeform: google is the i.g.farben of this particular hitler.