asciilifeform: !s what color are your bits

asciilifeform: goes straight to:

asciilifeform: ok this is lulzy enough to be worth a monologue

asciilifeform: and the pepper is agitated by the drill chuck

asciilifeform: l0l i assumed the cock goes in the right end

asciilifeform: nope

asciilifeform: aha the grotesque parallel is deliberate

asciilifeform: the castle of it-is-possible-to-have-a-sanely-designed-computer, for instance

asciilifeform does not expect or want anybody to ~move into~ his delusional castle, but enjoys having phriends, incl. a number of the folks here, who occasionally 'drop by for tea' in it

asciilifeform: zey are ooonly foolllowing oorderz

asciilifeform: why would they

asciilifeform: ph0rk??

asciilifeform: Ah!

asciilifeform: wai wut

asciilifeform: wai wut

asciilifeform: and certainly not a gaggle of pederasts in palo alto.

asciilifeform: y'know, the folks who pop rsa, plant rf bugs in cpu masks, etc.

asciilifeform: mno it has to be a reservation of 1950-quality human

asciilifeform: (does it subcontract for meta-nsa...?)

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-11-2015#1327681 << l0l, meta-google has the real people ? ☝︎

asciilifeform: (but the result will likely resemble usg's aviation design bureaus circa 1970s)

asciilifeform: now it ~is~ possible to engineer something while being at the same time concerned with where the parts to build $item will come from in the year 2115.

asciilifeform: going mad is great fun but tends to interfere with paying the bills

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu does not personally (per own admission) engineer anything and has the luxury of forgoing the line.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is necessary to draw this imaginary line, in order to engineer anything without going mad. sorta like the field lines of faraday.

asciilifeform: nor just about anything

asciilifeform: ... you can't hire folks to write sane, reasonable 'c' either

asciilifeform: but in re: ecology, i must not only agree with mircea_popescu, but go further still

asciilifeform: of whether a lone wolf like gabriel_laddel or yours truly can put a lisp system inside a black box and produce a working widget that solves $problem, just like ancestors could.

asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu is speaking of the ~ecosystem~ (can you get people who will maintain the project? at what cost? where? will they be sane? etc) then everything he said makes sense 100%.

asciilifeform: and we may well be approaching this point

asciilifeform: trinque: if it were no longer physically possible to run the code, i would agree

asciilifeform: (which one, incidentally, could do on a symbolics box...)

asciilifeform: i even write in fortran.

asciilifeform: if you want the motherfucking code to execute and return same outputs for same inputs - then yes!

asciilifeform: trinque: depends what means 'in the same manner.' if you, say, want to be ~employable in it like a 20yo chick was in 1985~ - then no

asciilifeform: which monastery do i need to train for 20 years in to understand how this works ?

asciilifeform low on lsd

asciilifeform: ditto software

asciilifeform: when mircea_popescu cooked his koran, did bin laden's koran also burn ?

asciilifeform: the collapse of the original does nothing to my copy.

asciilifeform: this is true for everything in the universe other than software. where a picture IS in effect a second, identical pile

asciilifeform takes

asciilifeform: how was ~my particular pile~ not a counterexample to 'when surrounded, your magic will be powerless' from earlier ?

asciilifeform: ..?

asciilifeform: as in EVERY MOTHERFUCKING LINE was ansi-compliant cl.

asciilifeform: other than this - total self-containment

asciilifeform: which i implemented using a unix fd callout.

asciilifeform: the last time i did serious work in cl, it was to run a set of laboratory machines. the only i/o i needed was rs-232.

asciilifeform: let's take concrete system?

asciilifeform: possibly because we have differing 'this'es.

asciilifeform: but it is true, 'consumer has come to expect' idiot gui etc.

asciilifeform: and get useful work done

asciilifeform: unlike c-on-unix, i can use cl without any libs

asciilifeform: what's wrong with my pressure hose with which i wash off the 'users' like birdshit from my car ?

asciilifeform: write your own i/o.

asciilifeform: but if you want i/o, other than console - you're stuck, aha.

asciilifeform has done this and intends to do in the future

asciilifeform: phf was not exaggerating when he wrote that one can take ai lab algos from 1980s and use UNCHANGED

asciilifeform: and can be used, with some effort, sans any of the attempts at 'improvement'

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-11-2015#1327682 << the thing about the two lisps having STANDARDS (commonlisp and scheme) is that the shit ~washes off~ - because the actual language is not open for amendment ☝︎

asciilifeform: if he feels like passing your bits unmolested that day.

asciilifeform: if you're speaking unsigned plaintext, you're speaking to hitler first and only then to the intended destination.

asciilifeform: generally 'multilevel' in software is kinda like the multiple layers of dodgy wallpaper in a communist flat

asciilifeform: open sores.

asciilifeform: without exception.

asciilifeform: actually it is an artifact of the fact that a schoolboy implementing a 'simple lisp' ends up bringing long-solved problems (e.g., 'the funarg problem', 'lisp is interpreted ergo slow', etc) back from the grave

asciilifeform: which is about on par with emacs lisp in terms of 'it is FOREVER 1972 and not in any good sense'

asciilifeform: (the ext lang in autocad)

asciilifeform: pretty much the only widespread public mention, if you go by 'what's in the bookstore' metric, was autodesk's 'autolisp'

asciilifeform: and there. scripting engines for games (e.g., 'abuse')

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: correct. e.g., 'gimp'

asciilifeform: tbh there is no sane way of doing it because it is a contradiction in terms - 'sane' and 'os native' together would require... sane os

asciilifeform: 'In smartparens, when you input a pair-able character: the matching pair gets inserted, too, and point is positioned inside the pair:...' << FOR FUCKS SAKE WHY ☟︎

asciilifeform: or whatever word describes the sort of chimera i am

asciilifeform: or richpoor ☟︎

asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: there are worse thing to end up

asciilifeform: first step on the road to where i am.

asciilifeform: shinohai: thing is, the protocol has neither crypto nor authentication (and the former is meaningless without the latter) and so neither you nor i have the foggiest notion of what we ACTUALLY connect to. ever. ☟︎

asciilifeform: shinohai: if the 'power-rangerism' continues, these will eventually connect only to each other.

asciilifeform: phf: aha, ditto telnet host 8333

asciilifeform: nm.

asciilifeform: classic blackhole, now that i think about it.

asciilifeform: ...

asciilifeform: accepted connection 62.210.127.113:43947

asciilifeform: disconnecting node 148.251.151.71:36265

asciilifeform: socket closed

asciilifeform: accepted connection 148.251.151.71:36265

asciilifeform: disconnecting node 62.210.127.113:43928

asciilifeform: socket no message in first 60 seconds, 1 0 ☟︎

asciilifeform: anybody else's therealbitcoin node behaving strangely?

asciilifeform: mega-unsurprise

asciilifeform: just one of the many, many benefits of having something where tards are kept OUT

asciilifeform: aha.

asciilifeform: for n00bz: it is an actual standard. as in, it will be possible to run code written in 1985 in 2085, should something like a computer still exist, if it adhered to the standard. ☟︎

asciilifeform: and the ansi standard.

asciilifeform: as in, what's in guy steele's 'common lisp the language' 2nd ed.

asciilifeform: trinque: or could stick to writing in actual common lisp

asciilifeform: wut

asciilifeform: gotta love the let's-embed-moar-weird-c-turds-in-cl folks