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mircea_popescu: which is even the incentive to own real estate as an old man : you get a wider aperture, to meet the better cut of youth. supposing you're too retarded to apply numerical methods, nevertheless, this is what you'll be doing with your time : sifting through the pile of worthless goop spit out by [http://trilema.com/2015/quantum-mechanics-today-a-machine-to-turn-penis-projectile-vibrati
mircea_popescu: the hierarchy of consume-more-than-produce young females is very strictly 1. girls who found themselves a sponsor, who fucks them and pays their rent ABOVE 2. morons living in state-run orphanage. the SAME EXACT thing applies to boys too, just because you pay your own rent doesn't change the disposition in the field, doesn't make up down and down up.
mircea_popescu: renting means you rent from some dude who owns, and you're better off with some dude who owns in your life than without. ESPECIALLY because you're an orphan. and you're paying, and paying on time, and doing other things (eg your very own quote, "maintain with own hands"), it is infinitely better for you to have than to not have.
mircea_popescu: not to mention the MOST important element, by far : as a young orphan (and if your dad dun have any duchies for you, you ARE an orphan, whether you admit it or not ; denial won't fix status) you WANT to get in the way of men-who-aren't-as-fucked-in-the-head-and-offensively-useless-and-retarded as that mongrel dog your drunk of a mother fucked to produce you.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 21:09:33 asciilifeform: lobbes: this may be a geographic thing, or simply asciilifeform's luck, but when renting 'from human' never 1nce experienced rising cost. they're extremely reluctant to raise it, because 'what happens if this d00d leaves and aint replaced until months later, or is replaced with a normal person who dun maintain w/ own hands' etc
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-16 05:37:45 mircea_popescu: IF the problem is that the currency is shit (which is strictly what "rising rents" means : if rents are rising, THEREFORE the currency is shit. if urine is sweet, THEREFORE diabethes, no iffs or butts about it, these are NOT separable), then owning real estate is a very poor solution : real estate follows the currency secular trend
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-16#1936660 << this is why, eg, greenwhich village even fucking happened in the 50s : rents were SO LOW a bunch of niggers getting together for an evening could sing themselves into the month's rent. it was CHEAPER to live there than in whatever alabama that spawned them. because back then the currency was strong, because etc.
mircea_popescu: there's more, and besideswhich a lot more to all of these foregoing parts, but holy hell... seriously, nobody ever thinks of things or what is the problem here !?
mircea_popescu: this was part 3, as to commercial aptitude.
mircea_popescu: you will be interested, of course, BUT FIVE DECADES HENCE. when you're old. then the sort of non-negotiable commitment makes sense. not in your fucking 20s, so spare me with all the "jobs" you can not sell (yes, this is what "working remote" IS, SELLING IT!!!), all the "college degrees" worth 0 on auction, and all the etcetera.
mircea_popescu: if whatever the fuck it is "you have" can't be ~sold~, on the ~open market~, YOU ARE NOT INTERESTED IN IT.
mircea_popescu: as a young orphan with potential, you keep to negotiable instruments. that's why the young men of florence who did get to be old men and successful enough as to buy up all the young cunts for gold to all the failures' despair went into trade rather than bureaucracy!
mircea_popescu: fucking land and chattels as to be desperate for loyal hands, and more than happy to "go, take x, hang yourself with it, holy hell finally!"
mircea_popescu: things flow the other way, your aging dad gives you the duchy of cornwall for you to hold on to for him, what the fuck is this ? and if dad ~dun have~ a duchy of cornwall large enough to keep you occupied, ~you leave~. and you spit on his head, too, because HE FAILED in life. because this was his fucking job : by the time the sons he made were old enough to do something useful with histime, he was supposed to have so much
mircea_popescu: buying "a house" from "the bank" is THE EXACT EQUIVALENT of giving your savings to your dad "to hold on to them for you". what the fuck, are you twelve ?
mircea_popescu: if you're a young man, YOU DO NOT BUY ILLIQUID, NON-NEGOTIABLE ANYTHING!!!! i don't mean, with money. i mean with anything. you have enough sense to keep your sexual relationships at will rather than get fucking married, fine, but the same applies throughout.
mircea_popescu: that was part 2, as to journeyman economic conduct.
snsabot: Logged on 2018-11-25 13:50:17 a111: Logged on 2014-09-10 15:02 mircea_popescu: well yeah. was a bunch o people, they got building permit and proceeded to built like at home. concrete pillars, brick walls etc.
mircea_popescu: either you buy made to order like my serb friends, or else you buy leftover brownstone nobody else wants, etcetera. what the fuck, this is novel to someone ?! why, because "do we still have to" read 1700s state of the art textbooks on personal conduct ?
mircea_popescu: what the fuck, are you retarded ? if people who you don't know are making things for you, the name for the thing they're making is A TRAP
mircea_popescu: if you're not a fucking pimp, you don't buy real estate in your 20s. and if you are a pimp, you buy in fucking baltimore, you buy in the blighted downtown of detroit or philly or whatever the shit. NOT crap in suburbia ;
mircea_popescu: if you're making a living driving a car, you buy CARS. if you're making a living fixing cars, you buy forklifts and power tools.
mircea_popescu: that's what you do with every dime you can save : you buy your own tools! to become journeyman!
mircea_popescu: IF you are a young man, and are producing more than consuming (if not, please follow the recipe for gender re-assignment, you don't belong here), you should save ~in capital goods~ specifically ~of your trade~.
mircea_popescu: that was part 1, as to financials.
mircea_popescu: (which is why us banks LEND you houses : it's the other part of their international trade where they borrow hard currency.)
mircea_popescu: if however the currency flags, real estate forthwith moves into emergency monetization role, meaning you want to short it as part of a triple currency play.
mircea_popescu: IF the problem is that the currency is shit (which is strictly what "rising rents" means : if rents are rising, THEREFORE the currency is shit. if urine is sweet, THEREFORE diabethes, no iffs or butts about it, these are NOT separable), then owning real estate is a very poor solution : real estate follows the currency secular trend
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 21:06:04 lobbes: indeed, is a scam. I fell for the 'well, my mortgage will be a fixed cost vs rising rents' thinking, but neglected to factor in cost of maintenance, rising property taxes, whathaveyou
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936612 << you bought it ~as an inflation play~ ?! holy hell man, what the fuck's wrong with schooling there. inflation is the enemy of old men, what the fuck does a 20yo care, holy shit it's all backwards.
mircea_popescu: useless children spawned by useless women lodged in useless houses wherein a mancave fulla unusable paraphenalia of inutility are uselessly stored... what a fucking life. the only possible progression is towards tranquilizers, and on the basis of the cheapest being weed this theory'd indicate "a weed epidemic".
mircea_popescu: explains a lot, such as the "motorcycle" clubs consisting of fellows who buy motorcycle parts for an alleged motorcycle that has more in common with a tchotchke than an actual conveyance, IN THAT IT DOESN'T FUCKING MOVE
mircea_popescu: no wonder zeks end up crushed under dependopopotami in their private relations -- at least it's consequent, the bitch at home behaves exactly like the home itself, spend decade to get 0.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936611 << good thing he makes "a lot of money" then.
mircea_popescu: going from a fixed 53 bytes header to either 46 or more generally 34 seems a fabulous gain in any case.
mircea_popescu: who wants the time of day, let him go look.
mircea_popescu: "snsabot Logged on 2017-12-13 23:52:25 asciilifeform:" should become "snsabot 2017-12-13 [ossasepia] asciilifeform:" for all reads of a foreign log, and "snsabot 2017-12-13 asciilifeform:" for all reads of this here log.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936605 << actually since we're doing this, i'd like the whole thing reviewed, as follows :
mircea_popescu: then of course there's the hallucinatoria of the coy reflex, girl who's never taken a stroll nude down the busy street imagines it's gonna be the end of the world!!! much like the guy taking a stumble imagines everyone's watchin' an' judging, AS FUCKING IF they could unglue their eyes off the i[nca[pods long enough to notice their own fucking shoes are on fire.
mircea_popescu: (i dun even mean trinque specifically, the naive gent's a universal, anyone who never seriously thought about these things in these forms for these reasons five or ten years ago, meaning practically everyone.)
snsabot: Logged on 2017-12-13 23:52:25 asciilifeform: also it is not so hot , as a tuner, 'shits where it eats' quite severely
mircea_popescu: it's an ecology problem, very much of the cycle variety ; an' will have to be addressed, though in this particular case the corner naive gent's painted himself in is SO FAR OUT THERE, and there's SO MUCH GOD DAMNED PAINT surface, it'll take a while to unwind.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 20:24:51 hanbot: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936285 << more's the point is that your "household" consists of a WoT non-entity (afaik, actually. is it?) that may or may not be just as clueless about saying something here if you get a touch of The Butt. aesthetipolitical bents, righteous as they may be, pale by comparison.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936596 << i imagine the ~perceived~ pressure on nameless womanhood is quite immense, "omfg, what do i say, what if they make fun of me, they're gonna say i never installed linux from scratch as if it implied i'm half a dead man riding about on half a dead rabbit!!!"
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 20:52:11 asciilifeform: will be a gnarly knob, cuz under no circumstances am i running a bot that dun cross-echo in ~my~ castle.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936602 << okay, but what's the problem with it echoing "[trilema] <mircea_popescu> but i can't seem to find it ?!" rather than "<mircea_popescu> but i can't seem to find it ?!"
mircea_popescu: but i can't seem to find it ?!
mircea_popescu: and speaking of http://trilema.com/2019/concedo-hoc/#comment-131427 : i'm pretty sure i read trinque referring to the laughable playdates of the menalone as "wankastery" / "wankasteries", as a transparent adjustment of monastery to more truthfully reflect its real function
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 20:41:10 lobbes: Of course I'm already regretting that resignation thinking I did that with my classic 'jumpy reasoning'; I think what I really needed was clarity, which comes from communication, which has been working pretty well so far.
diana_coman: fwiw, I think the whole thread there belonged better in #o possibly starting with http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936342
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, asciilifeform a [#chan] marker from bot sounds good to me; in #o for now at least I'd rather it cross-echoes indeed but I can see also why this might not be appropriate for #t
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: There's also the popular in 401k REITs that turn retirement savings dollars into real estate bubble dollars
asciilifeform: ( yet someone builds the blocks of flats . how they make profit ? very simply, tlp-style, i.e. by leasing to welfare mooches, these come w/ guaranteed subsidy from usg. )
asciilifeform: the takehome moral from this, is that if someone expects to make serious profit by renting out residential sqmetrage in usa -- think again.
asciilifeform: ( and, moar staggeringly, 'clock' on this 'yr+' ~resets~ if the derp scrapes together some pennies and pays ~1 month~ )
asciilifeform: lobbes: i found out that in many locales in tardschwitz, incl. this 1, tenants 'have rights'(tm)(r) and can take yr+ to extract one if he stops paying... and that this happens regularly
asciilifeform: lobbes: the 'organized' co.'s are 100% poison, avoid'em if at all possible in usa
asciilifeform: asciilifeform to current landlord (another ru d00d) : 'you can keep the weather station tower when i go, i won't need it where i'll go'
lobbes: which attracts the 'non human' rental corps. along with rising rents
lobbes: but I suspect you are correct re: human owners + geographics. Charlotte is a typical "bubble" city; low corp tax rates attract the banking industry, which fuels the need for meatworkers, but apparently NC doesn't produce skilled-enough workers on its own, so for the last few decades has been importing 'em (virtually all the people on my team are not from NC)
asciilifeform: lobbes: 'normal people tenant' is apparently vehehery interesting concept in this part of world
asciilifeform: him:'usually i have to redo the drywall when folx leave, but yours is perfect, how?' a: (holding tin of spackle behind back) 'by magic'
lobbes: oh yeah, my mom used to be a landlord back before I was born. Would tell horror stories of tenants writing curses in literal shit on the walls when she had to evict them for non-payment
asciilifeform: ( and even that typical tenant nao does things like punch hole in wall w/ fist and then demand that landlord fix for phree )
asciilifeform: i dunno whether to believe, but he said that even paying on schedule erry single month is unusual nowadays...
asciilifeform: lobbes: this may be a geographic thing, or simply asciilifeform's luck, but when renting 'from human' never 1nce experienced rising cost. they're extremely reluctant to raise it, because 'what happens if this d00d leaves and aint replaced until months later, or is replaced with a normal person who dun maintain w/ own hands' etc
lobbes: indeed, is a scam. I fell for the 'well, my mortgage will be a fixed cost vs rising rents' thinking, but neglected to factor in cost of maintenance, rising property taxes, whathaveyou
asciilifeform: iirc the way these typically work in usa, is that 'buyer' spends decade+ paying just the interest
lobbes: ^ this is correct. It is a liability right now, not an asset as far as I'm concerned
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 18:43:07 mircea_popescu: but, traditionally, owning real estate is what separates the bourgeoisie from the mob/vagrancie.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936574 << iirc lobbes said that he had it on credit, rather than owned. (but can't find in log, so maybe i dreamed it)
asciilifeform: this prolly won't go in until end of week, all changes to bot are to be tested to death before rollout.
asciilifeform: diana_coman, spyked , lobbes , BingoBoingo , lemme know if you want yours in that list .
asciilifeform: will be a gnarly knob, cuz under no circumstances am i running a bot that dun cross-echo in ~my~ castle.
asciilifeform: graphical browsers tell you url when hovering, but e.g. lynx does not, prolly explains why mircea_popescu went grr
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 18:45:12 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936554 << holy shit this can't continue, if you folk are going to let the logreaders read from other channels (which, honestly, i'm considering banning) at least prepend an [channel name] before or something.
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-charlie-sheen-has-an-awesome-experience-this-time-with-drugs-and-a-hooker-which-was-the-same-as-last-time-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thelastpsychiatrist.com - Charlie Sheen Has An Awesome Experience, This Time With Drugs and A Hooker, Which Was The Same As Last Time. Adnotated.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 19:46:49 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936066 << I trolled the shit out of girl earlier, "babe, we're moving to Portland" and "What the fuck?! I'm not living in blue-haired hell!" panicpanicpanic before I started cackling. I think I'll be ok.
hanbot: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936285 << more's the point is that your "household" consists of a WoT non-entity (afaik, actually. is it?) that may or may not be just as clueless about saying something here if you get a touch of The Butt. aesthetipolitical bents, righteous as they may be, pale by comparison.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 14:19:48 lobbes: In other words, this is step II ain't it? The *fact* is that I'm poor, so I may as well accept that and stop pretending otherwise, yes? I.e. No palpable difference between 90K WFF per month and 30K WFF per month; they are both the same level of poverty
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-15 21:59:05 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936550 << i dunno dood, you're selling houses, being poor, it's a stu. you'll have to sort it out for yourself, i can't figure it out from over here.
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936572 << not an issue. I got this. I always figure it out eventually
lobbes: roger that then re: the mysql replication. I'll move onto other pieces
mircea_popescu: no guarantee ima spot test tho.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 14:41:04 lobbes: Now, are you cool with me releasing patches in pieces? I.e. First patch will be a bot that eats IRC and shits lines into a article on Trilema (under 'logs' category). Then subsequent patches for the rest of the asks.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 14:40:55 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-13#1935892 << to come back to this: I spent a half-dozen hours last night educating myself on mysql replication. I hope to have this figured out (and tested on my own blog) by end of today (will post a handy guide, because why not)
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936556 << kinda waste of time. the seed will just have been an import, and the comments/posts i intended to have handled from php.
lobbes: I think that is it for people running Stan loggers
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 14:30:31 lobbes: anyways, this regret will go well with my penance posts on the consequences of derealisation inducing activities (mind rot is real!)
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936554 << holy shit this can't continue, if you folk are going to let the logreaders read from other channels (which, honestly, i'm considering banning) at least prepend an [channel name] before or something.
mircea_popescu: but, traditionally, owning real estate is what separates the bourgeoisie from the mob/vagrancie.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 14:19:48 lobbes: In other words, this is step II ain't it? The *fact* is that I'm poor, so I may as well accept that and stop pretending otherwise, yes? I.e. No palpable difference between 90K WFF per month and 30K WFF per month; they are both the same level of poverty
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936550 << i dunno dood, you're selling houses, being poor, it's a stu. you'll have to sort it out for yourself, i can't figure it out from over here.
mircea_popescu: all the bots!!!
lobbes: http://archive.is/5L8Cb#selection-1483.105-1483.280 << E.g. I think this is: "Don't break the balls! We see here people crossing the square grabbing a rope because the wind was blowing them to shit, families littered along the ropes. In your face Netflix!"
lobbes: BingoBoingo: I'm finding that your various updates make for amusing (if not challenging) spanish practice
lobbes: ty as always for helping me to detangle my brain
lobbes: diana_coman: this is true, huh. Besides, worse things I could be than a knight! I'll take the opportunity to learn how to not decide things in haste for example
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-15 12:57:02 diana_coman: I just realised that it was probably not clear above: my point was why regret the *decision*.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 14:46:06 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936485 << because my decision was made hastily and prematurely imo. I don't think I needed to resign. I did so thinking I could eschew choice, but that is stupid; can't ever eschew choice wtf. And this dumb move will result in loss of coolness, as mircea_popescu pointed out; loss of privilege.