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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i dug for, but failed to find in O(1), Framedragger's 'model airplanes' thrd

mircea_popescu: kinda what i'm arguing against.

a111: Logged on 2019-01-30 18:35 mircea_popescu: consider though -- am i an AMATEUR writer ? and who's a professional, everyone on the nytimes list ? really ?

mircea_popescu: "when i discovered the universe was artificial i withdrew into amateurship, because you can't commit to following a universe that's broken"

mircea_popescu: and i also dispute there's any requirement of ~expertise~ for ~professionalism~. utter fucking bullshit of the confused and the definitionless, trying to buy one thing with the other and back again circularly because that's all they got.

Mocky: I got paid to do some development for a game, but still would say amateur game developer

asciilifeform: it rose to 'meme', tho, i've seen number of ru folx who 'graduated' from having to work for daily bread, refer to it.

asciilifeform: in a certain old sov children's cartoon there was a crocodile character who , when asked what is his profession, would answer 'i work as myself, there in the zoo'

mircea_popescu: i suppose stalin the definitive amateur, iirc never paid.

mircea_popescu: consider though -- am i an AMATEUR writer ? and who's a professional, everyone on the nytimes list ? really ? ☟︎

mircea_popescu: ammended but not rescinded, i guess i must be.

asciilifeform: i'm beginning to suspect that mircea_popescu is the last living troo subscriber of s. freud

asciilifeform: as i understand, diff enuff activity that it is quite separate from what he does for living; and so amateur, just as he is amateur when plays chess

mircea_popescu: i can't imagine what diff does it make. if airline pilot flies his own cessna one day is now amateur ?

mircea_popescu: if i take a seat next to you in your car, the large cost is my sitting, the small cost is the money.

mircea_popescu: i hold this is an entirely spurious distinction.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i do not believe he is.

asciilifeform: dunno, peddling snake oil for money is not what i associate with 'amateur'; it's quackery. amateur typically writes 'into desk' and doesn't pollute environment. tho i suppose 'open sores' is changing this.

mircea_popescu: i'm telling you, amateur is one who expects the world to "play nice" in whatever random definition he comes up with because daddy had the common fucking decency to not rape 'em while they were growing up, SO THEREFORE!!!

mircea_popescu: and if i hire douchebag to douchebag for a while, he's still an amateur.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i thought 'amateur' is simply what's left when you subtract folx who bake for money.

mircea_popescu: (i think it makes a rather subtle point, so discussion particularly welcome)

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: when you're there, plox to stuff a new disk into dulap so i can breathe life into it

BingoBoingo: I am planning to emplace the new Rockchip tomorrow. No downtime is planned, but removing the old and placing the new is going to take some dexterity. ☟︎

asciilifeform: ( ~that~ , as i understand, is where a coupla extra horse per kg, is 'life & death' q )

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i do wonder if the bmw monster's 300 horse, would actually make any useful diff in mud road, vs. the classic zundapp's 10

asciilifeform: to the point that 1st time i saw one on actual street, sans mg34, felt 'wrong'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i picture zundapp as invariably with that mg.

Mocky: in my mind zundapp has reversed hand levers and curved license plate on front fender, although I know not all did

asciilifeform: i always picture the result of 5-6 iterations of these, sumthing that loox perhaps like steel mill crucible

asciilifeform: Mocky: i dun drive these things, but iirc there is some free play b/w sidecar and bike

a111: Logged on 2019-01-30 16:43 asciilifeform: ( as i understand, in koch world fermat test uses ~exactly same # of cycles as 1 shot of m-r )

asciilifeform: Mocky: perhaps i'm thick, but why precisely can the pictured machine not turn right ?

asciilifeform: ( exactly how they did turns, i do not know , but was pretty good all-terrain ride and valuable as spoils , and for many yrs in su they could be seen puttering about )

Mocky: asciilifeform re zundapp, leaving aside that it dun look much like a classic blitzkrieg bike to me, I'm commenting on the massive side car that makes the pictured item factually unusable, even with windshield removed

asciilifeform: ( as i understand, in koch world fermat test uses ~exactly same # of cycles as 1 shot of m-r ) ☟︎

asciilifeform: diana_coman: i recently reread your series re primes, and found http://ossasepia.com/2018/01/04/eucrypt-chapter-4-random-prime-number-generator/#selection-111.241-117.155 interesting -- koch fermats 1st, but this dun actually save any cpu under any circumstances. pretty lulzy.

mircea_popescu: i didn't have what to argue against it back in 2016 or w/e it started (not that i didn't see it coming, either) and i've not found anything hence. so...

diana_coman: that way I can at least see it, thanks for clarifying, jurov

jurov: I will change the interface when there's any interest. There was no usage past year at all. So, no interface, no online processing, for now.

diana_coman: but then simply change the interface, following existing non-liability model; what am I missing?

jurov: yes, the way I built it (webinterface where you log in) became a liability

diana_coman: I got that part; my surprise was re why is "accepting gpg-signed orders online" a problem for coinbr given the working model of mpex

jurov: I'm be doing any requests manually, not in realtime, hence "offline"

diana_coman: jurov, admittedly I never used CoinBr so don't know much of its previous online presence but I always thought "online" for such a thing meant mpex-style i.e. anyway gpg-based , no?

diana_coman: asciilifeform, I don't know if anyone asked - I've stated it in the blogpost in clear just the same

asciilifeform: i dun have a squadron of searchers to 'square by square', either.

asciilifeform: fwiw i liked ar as a coupla-day thing, but can't picture it being so great to have to get on a plane erry time want tooth filled , buy some irons, etc

mircea_popescu: it's constantly a "man, i must just not know where the society gathers / parties are / nightlife happens" etc.

mircea_popescu: i suspect the italians are a terrible import.

mircea_popescu: i have nfi.

asciilifeform: i find it mind-boggling that 'biological deficit'. where , for instance, did the 2+mil germans go ?

a111: Logged on 2019-01-29 18:16 asciilifeform: re argintines, somehow i entirely escaped finding out about 'villa-31' ( http://ru-ar.ru/villa31 notbad www re subj ) , rio-style favela right inside b-a

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-29#1890605 << pretty sure i included pics. ☝︎

mod6: I can imagine.

asciilifeform: re argintines, somehow i entirely escaped finding out about 'villa-31' ( http://ru-ar.ru/villa31 notbad www re subj ) , rio-style favela right inside b-a ☟︎

BingoBoingo: For a sample of the local memes https://i.redd.it/sy0ltggru9d21.jpg The larger pink area in the overlay is "Departamento 21 de Uruguay"

BingoBoingo: Do the Chinese and Indians even want Miami? I suspect they have their own favored cities for capture.

asciilifeform: approx. what i estimated.

mod6: I think something like `grep -v "^$"` will give you all the non-empty lines from a file.

mircea_popescu: so apparently took >1k pics on latest harem outing. wtf am i gonna do ;/

diana_coman: yay, m-r on ffa; now I'll really have to schedule ffa feast during breaks from work, lol

mircea_popescu: there's certainly no better reason to read whatever http://trilema.com/2017/i-think-they-might-be-overdoing-it-in-places/#selection-35.0-35.52 esltards on the topic. exactly like that ro kid, they've got nothing to say an' no particular skill in sayin' it.

BingoBoingo: I see no reason they and Mexico wouldn't

asciilifeform: possibly trying for a softer nut, for broken tooth ? i've nfi

asciilifeform: ( gotta wonder, who are all these folx who think: 'hm, i have 1337 w4r3z, where should i park it... iknow! shithub!' ? )

asciilifeform: ( there is no tree on which grows a physical rng that gives 50/50 1/0 right off the bat, i looked... )

asciilifeform: ( it's a kindergarten-level proof, so i'd be surprised if it actually had to wait for 20th c )

asciilifeform: i see a field's infestation with alchemists, astrologers, faith healers, as a ~secondary symptom~ -- of the field not having anyffing like a rational foundation to begin with.

mircea_popescu: but anyway, i nitpick.

a111: Logged on 2016-09-08 17:31 asciilifeform: the #1 entry is gut-bustingly lulzy to asciilifeform , because i spend ~half year auditing a multilinear-map thing for $rupturefarm, and even was sent to a 'conference' where 'serious cryptographers' did not even blink when someone walked in with a proof that whole thing was crock of shit

asciilifeform: i suspect it's exactly like the 'well-understood that you mustn't write own crypto' idjicy.

mircea_popescu: i confess i'm mildly concerned when i don't see these "well understood" shits.

asciilifeform: ftr i still dunget what one has to be smoking to use prng ~seeded by N~ as a witness source.

a111: Logged on 2019-01-25 17:21 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in 'holy fuck, i thought we hit rock bottom but then heard a knock from below' lulz, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mcleod/index.html << 'professor of engineering' tries to argue in favour of old-fashioned , carmichaelizable primality litmus ~instead~ of m-r, on acct of the 'rarity of carmichael #s' .

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'distinction' ? near as i can tell, it's the 'narrative fiction' where 'you can assume that rng works'. recall the earlier entomo-gem where 'why not use fermat litmus, piano will fall on you before you see carmichael num' etc

diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-27#1890343 -> a paper with actual content, ha! though I rather doubt the authors' statement that "the need for careful distinction between non-adversarial (or random) and adversarial primality testing is of course well understood in the cryptographic research community." ☝︎

asciilifeform: ( unlike in any pc i've met to date )

mircea_popescu: the original said "The French don't like being famous for their incapacity of being on time ? Let them fix their watches somehow to the same hour, so they quit going about Paris, apparent adults, with half hour's delta among what their watches show. " and i'm willing to attest even as late as LAST DECADE this was a factual state of affairs.

asciilifeform: 'If either LibTomMath or TomsFastMath are selected, the pseudoprimes described in Section 4.9 (see Appendix I) will always be declared prime by the primality test.' << for the innocent : 'tommath' is 1 of those 'independent, not openssl' arithmetrons...

a111: Logged on 2019-01-26 04:57 mircea_popescu: and i'm cordially invited to sponsor his delusion. and if i opt not to, he will... RETRY.

asciilifeform: i expected moar like 99+

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can't resist to bite : what's 'non-narrative' fiction ?

asciilifeform: that's gotta be it, i cant think how else.

mircea_popescu: well, one possible explanation is "the smartphone revolution" : it managed to make say a butler overexpensive through the simple application of "why should i practice being stiff when i could just catpic all day". conceivably, if it managed to reduce the butler population to practical zero, it might've reduced others too.

asciilifeform: i was similarly astonished by how much the xray people wanted for ~1~ piddling pic

phf: i would not have been surprised though..

asciilifeform: micrograph, seems , will prolly have to wait until i get actual microscope here.

phf: asciilifeform: yeap, i've been keeping up with what you've been publishing on the subject. i'm looking forward to your xray results, i mean that's not something i thought would be doable at home, even if a home lab

asciilifeform: phf: on other front entirely, you may find interesting, asciilifeform built an xray machine, some time in coming weeks when i get coupla otherwise free hrs, will take pics of the bolix..

phf: i don't understand how anyone can read the logs with one eye, this shit's exponential: i'm behind on ffa, so the recent work on e.g. gcd or miller-rabin is particularly slow going.

phf: unfortunately i failed to make careful note of various vpatch appearances. there's been some by people other than asciilifeform and diana_coman where the author didn't explicitly request a btcbase upload. so if anyone's explicitly missing a vpatch that they want to be up on btcbase, please leave note with me, privmsg also works

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'm digging through stuff and apparently Israel doesn't have a strong opinion on Vzla regime change is the US isn't going to have a strong opinion on Syria regime change seems to be the sentiment.

asciilifeform: lol i missed this

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: from experience, i know that one can get decent-quality items built in cn if one simply ~pays for it~

BingoBoingo: I have no concrete idea, but the gulf in quality between export grade chinese tooling and domestic chinese tooling is suggestive

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i've nfi

asciilifeform: i cannot resist to throw some petrol in the clocks fire : in the national museum in washingtonistan, i saw a matchbox-sized (1990s) device claiming to be miniaturized cesium clock. why the item aint available for a few bux from middlekingdom, however, remains to me a mystery. ( possibly in fact sham; or possibly some other explanation. )

diana_coman: anyways, I'm not pushing this strongly as "this is how I actually think it was" - as I said previously, I don't think I know enough to have much to say either way

diana_coman: I suppose the argument is that they still were the same thing i.e. that the fineness & precision differences were not so crucial as to make the result essentially something else; I can see it as such and fwiw that'd have been the default way to see it - if not for all the experience of "things that people call X and supposedly is made out of same things as X but different in implementation"