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nubbins`: i'm still having some issues getting
a sensible bitcoind built for the pogo w/ the buildroot toolchain
nubbins`: tried your ldd trick, it claims "not
a dynamic executable"
Chillum keeps on rockin in
a "free" world
nubbins` stopped carrying
a wallet some years ago
nubbins`: "TIL the Rolex watch company is run by not-for-profit charitable trusts. So after
a certain amount of money goes to Rolex employees & the founding Rolex family, what remains is donated to charities. Some of these charities focus on watchmaking & some on HS education. Rolex founder was an orphan."
punkman: yeah but if you still want to fund gavin, I'm thinking you're
a spook
nubbins`: asciilifeform fwiw if you apply instructions from my latest ML post, you'll get
a 100% static bitcoind
punkman: "I had an idealistic vision of the Foundation being
a member-driven organization, but that never happened. Now would be
a good time for you, the membership, to make me proud and come together and figure out
a vision for the Foundation moving forward."
punkman: "
A special trust fund is being created and I will donate several 100k to pre-pay Gavin’s, Wladimirs and some other core devs wage for the next year" << who's this Olivier dude that's gonna pay for Gavin out of his pocket
punkman: "Jim Harper and myself immediately put forward
a vote to have the board meeting recorded. We followed Robert’s rules of orders, and everyone else basically shut us down and failed to follow procedures."
nubbins`: asciilifeform did you get
a static build of bitcoind on gentoo yet?
mats: Oliver Janssen: "Core dev can no longer be funded by it, and Patrick Murck is trying to re-create
a new Foundation just for core dev, because the current name is tarnished. Do not fall for this."
PeterL: anybody here follow basketball? My MSU Spartans made it to the final four again, should be
a fun game tonight against Duke
fortune501: you might find tansphobis isnt
a thing
mats: always
a good idea to humor the postman
PeterL: the box used to be on the house itself, and I moved it to the porch rail so he wouldn't have to go up the steps, but apparently that isn't good enough, now I gotta go buy
a post and dig
a hole to stick it in
PeterL: so, my lastest run-in with USG agents: the mailman doesn't like where my mailbox is. It is currently on the rail of my porch, he says I must instal
a box on
a post in my yard
cazalla: kylie might've been it when you watched it as
a teenager, but brooke satchwell was it when i was that age :P
cazalla: got
a bit of left over goat's leg that i slow cooked from the other night if ya keen
fortune501: if someone writes
a peom about it on
a mmporg, let it ride
fortune501: if fucking
a tranny is gonna give you nightmares, don't do it
fortune501: its quite obviously
a suicide joke, but i get all the die hard suicide fans of the internet are already gone
fortune501: and if i work out steam, ill have
a cup of tea and
a lie down
fortune501: yeah that prolly the last time i loaded
a game
mircea_popescu: meanwhile back at reality ranch
a) the foundation floundered because it managed to get mp to speak out against it. b) the only way to resolve this problem is with jail time for the speciffic names involved.
mircea_popescu: nice try olivier, but it doth not wash. masquerading as
a part of the solution while failing to credit the actual mechanisms and trying to use the banal shit to avoid discussing the important shit does not work.
mircea_popescu: "That new director decided that the only way to still get funds at that point, was to focus solely on funding core development, in the hope that people would see that as
a good cause. But people were smart enough not to trust the Foundation anymore. "
pete_dushenski: "The lesson for all of us in Bitcoin is to never put any trust in
a centralized org again that wanted to represent Bitcoin or the Core Development of Bitcoin." << or the lesson is, don't fuck with la serenissima ?
pete_dushenski: anyone with 10 btc to their name is either here or keeping their mouths shut and their coins locked in
a vault come hell or high water
pete_dushenski: because mebbe 'just core dev' will bring in
a gazillion coins. just like ethereum. i'm sure.
pete_dushenski: "Patrick Murck is trying to re-create
a new Foundation just for core dev" << lolk
BingoBoingo: There's nothing better than
a white, sausage breakfast gravy on
a bed of hash browns
mircea_popescu: often when people claim they hate well established foods, it turns out they never actually had
a good example.
cazalla: the jew moon or something! (we'll have
a good view of it here tonight)
assbot: Logged on 04-04-2015 03:39:35; decimation: but I would also like to pack enough bits on an 8.5x11 sheet of paper to convey
a 4096 bit rsa privkey
mircea_popescu: trinque comes down exactly to the ancient causes and purposes distinction. if people find
a way to fly, nobody "deems gravity broken" or hoilds talks on how to patch it "because this wasn't the intended result"
assbot: Logged on 04-04-2015 02:46:42; asciilifeform: i do not want them in the zoo, i do not want them with
a gnu, i do not want them in
a house, i do not want them with
a mouse, ... , ...
mircea_popescu: gravity is
a limit but it regulates nothing. the murder taboo is
a limit and regulatory.
cazalla: i heard it was
a game for casuals
assbot: Logged on 04-04-2015 02:21:29; junseth: Haha, well the question is what was the alternative. The alternative before the Fed was not necessarily better. I'm not
a fan of central banks. But I think it's disingenuous to say that the central bank hasn't done
a decent job of "running" the currency. The solution is to solve the problems caused by central banking. I think that's why we're all Bitcoiners.
mircea_popescu: people have to accept their feelings don't matter. they always end up doing this, it's just some have to get raped with
a spiked club first.
mircea_popescu: yes the market would be
a great solution, were it applied. sadly, "the political costs". ie, exactly the same tired old record that drove the soviet union into the wall.
assbot: Logged on 04-04-2015 02:04:31; junseth: RE: the discussion about markets, I generally disagree with the notion that markets don't work. I know it's
a common mantra. But markets, even decently regulated ones, work pretty well. Regulated markets price in the cost of regulation.
mircea_popescu:
http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-04-2015#1087666 << dude, it's not
a discussion that "markets don't work". it's
a discussion that before markets can work, you gotta have them. similarly, if you don't have running water, you have
a hygiene problem. this isn't because "bathrooms don't work", it's because you.do.not.have.one.
danielpbarron: To do this, you issue everyone with write access to the database,
a GPG Keypair that they use to sign entries and changes. Each signer will have
a GPG Keypair, and
a separate machine will automatically sign all entries with its own keypair, for time stamping and authenticating entries. << this guy writes like he reads the log but misses the point
danielpbarron: ^ from the guy who came into b-
a to register in the gribble WoT post-fork
danielpbarron: I have no doubt that these same people, had you enthusiastically said to them, "Your 64MB flash drive will hold
a 64GB in
a few years and cost less!" would have scoffed at the idea. The same thing is happening with Bitcoin. Men who know nothing about software are scoffing at the idea that Bitcoin can change and improve. Its an
a-historical perspective, to use parliamentary language. On IRC, they simply say, "DERP!".
decimation remembers 'light wand' attached to
a serial terminal he once used as
a clerk
decimation: but I would also like to pack enough bits on an 8.5x11 sheet of paper to convey
a 4096 bit rsa privkey
assbot: Logged on 31-03-2015 20:23:48; ascii_field: Chillum: barcode reader is simple enough conceptually that it doesn't need
a cpu.
decimation: re: discussion about paper keys < I wonder if
a set of symbols in combination with
a very simple 'ocr' algorithm might work
junseth: "junseth: I am drawing
a parallel between functioning natural ecosystems and functioning markets" I'm not sure what you mean. Can you
decimation: asciilifeform: well, self-reconstructing is one thing, but certainly the very 'base' install isn't much bigger than
a buildroot
decimation: perhaps not 'avionics grade', but there is quite
a bit of 'fix this shit'
decimation: if you look at the contents of
a src.rpm it's
a collection of patches with the original tarball
decimation: I would suggest
a redhat-patched gcc actually
trinque: junseth: I am drawing
a parallel between functioning natural ecosystems and functioning markets
junseth: Haha, well
a market is
a place where individuals come and transact. That's what it means. What does it look like? I mean, it can look like
a lot of things. But
a marketplace doesn't have to look like any one thing.
trinque: junseth: are two male chimps in
a cage
a viable ecosystem?
junseth: Haha, I would probably apply the supreme court porn test to whether somethign is
a market or not
junseth:
a market of two things is
a market
junseth: haha,
a market of two people is
a market.
junseth: Hmm... well, I would say that ther eis probably no such thing as
a unregulated market. But any place that exists wher epeople transact is
a market.
junseth: I would be willing to bet
a lot of money that we agree on almost everything Bitcoin ,an dprobably disagree
a lot about how markets work.
decimation: bitcoin is
a fiat currency, but is also radically decentralized
nubbins`: sort of like how
a car with
a built-in stove would be better
danielpbarron: but i'd keep my savings in bitcoin, using it to replentish my gold coins on
a monthly basis or something
junseth: I agree backing bitcoin with metal doesn't make sense. But there are so many scams that are showing up these days that are taking advantage of the sentiment that
a gold/silver backed crypto would be better.
decimation: ^ the above is lifted out of
a section where dr. white was talking about how the scotish banking system was crushed by bank of england fiat banking
decimation: mats: yeah it's
a good episode, I recommend it
mats: oh thank god there's
a transcript
decimation: junseth: " But anyway, if you look at that case, if you look at other cases, I think the pattern is pretty clear that the least restricted systems are the ones that performed best from the point of view of the average user of money. And those were systems that were on gold or silver standards. And there doesn't seem to have been any great dissatisfaction with that. There were proposals by some economists to try to have
a system that
nubbins`: "
a finite amount of log should be good enough for anybody"