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BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: With the level of repeating involved I had suspicions.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-27 19:16:12 asciilifeform: diana_coman: as i specifically wish to operate with no external capital, this is the only possible scheme.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-28 11:35:44 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-27#1948412 << alright, well, i guess we're just talking talks here, coulda said you were gonna be stupid from the get go saved everyone the hassle.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-23 13:39:53 mp_en_viaje: ~this~ is the discriminant ; it's not a matter of how great you can do at the hobby of this, when "real life" permits. it's not how impressive, or above-others, or anything else your amateur effort might come to be.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-18 12:02:14 mp_en_viaje: <mp_en_viaje> if you're just looking for a coupla week's amateur entertainment, i got a whole line of hookers looking for same pounding down my door.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-18 16:25:05 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: there's 2 separate qs.: a) whether it is possible to run a comfortably +ev miniature isp for use of l1/l2. b) is how to run large isp, hosting 1000 heathens, to make 100k's. presently it would be a lie if asciilifeform said that knows how to (b) , and suicidal if tried to (a) + (b) simultaneously right off .

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: fwiw, afaik all of the iron that's actually on the books, with the exception of 4 very worn 256G ssd (~50 $ if were new) that i had BingoBoingo mail , is at piz. so you can liquidate even nao if you like.

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: why not detail what you had in mind, before we do the mutual -10 / declaring each other traitors thing.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-27 19:16:12 asciilifeform: diana_coman: as i specifically wish to operate with no external capital, this is the only possible scheme.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-13 18:03:01 mp_en_viaje: anyway, unrelatedly : for the folk awaiting trilema publication of divers reports, as were implicitly due for q3 sometime early october : i had every intention of doing them, if not by the 5th day as trad. absolute value at least sorta by 15th (as scaled value, 3x the months, 3x5 days) or something. but then, whole pizaro debacle, adding to the fact that i'm traveling and that's never so fixed a schedule (for inst

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-27 19:16:12 asciilifeform: diana_coman: as i specifically wish to operate with no external capital, this is the only possible scheme.

mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, why is it just so hard for theses folks ? check this shit out : http://younghands.club/2019/10/28/jfw-plan-week-of-oct-28/?b=Inves&e=#comment-59

asciilifeform: diana_coman: my focus to date has been 1) obtain and assemble the basic physical plant; 2) offer service to l1.

asciilifeform: diana_coman: presently i look among the l1. (unsurprisingly no one yet hurried to buy 20u or 2kwatt).

asciilifeform: diana_coman: i do not currently have a concrete scheme for 'expand l1, l2' that would rise to the level of a plan. (and i've permanently 0 interest in servicing heathens, i.e. those not in wot at all.)

asciilifeform: diana_coman: this is strictly re the ~number~ of subscribers. if you were speaking of ~physical~ expansion, the plant could be doubled in size overnight if someone were to put in an order for such a thing.

asciilifeform: diana_coman: as i specifically wish to operate with no external capital, this is the only possible scheme.

asciilifeform: diana_coman: all of the expansion plans for which i have concrete #s, rather than 'wishes', are summarized. but 1st priorities are 1) service asciilifeform 2) service l1 (such that want in) followed by 3) all other forms of expansion.

BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Funny how that shit works out

asciilifeform: (among other things, full BOMs for the irons (as per mp_en_viaje's crit) are given in the article.)

asciilifeform still proofreading and correcting article, but the 2nd draft of price calculator, which includes all standard options for irons, is posted for those interested.

diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: yeah, it's lobbes' rebranded blog

ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-19 08:01:31 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-19#1946702 << let it be observed, since we're here, the INTRICATE way in which socialism perpetuates itself. by getting you to believe the whole "intelectual property" claptrap, it gets you to ~volunteer~ for tax in one of its principal tax halls. and it's not even the money tax that's interesting, all the personal service tax, where you pay homage and pay court upon a

BingoBoingo: diana_coman: It hard for me to tell at this point if that is because the sort of work in this environment is new. There may also be an element of "these derps went from freely spreading their derpligion to forming a crowd and hiding in a glass box.

BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: The prospect does seem interesting. I'd need to actually apprentice, but so far it seems paralegal may be a great fit which could keep me in LATAM. I do feel more effective in LATAM than I would anywhere the derps *have to* English

asciilifeform: diana_coman: right, but mp_en_viaje is also right, i dun have a heavy-industry grade operation atm. possibly after successfully serving blog-grade rk's etc such as yours, for a while, can build 'tower of go-for-broke'.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-20 16:39:24 diana_coman: works; for now I'd say the main focus is on that business plan ; fwiw I would totally pay asciilifeform for the hosting right from the start, can calc what it amounts too once the data is published and plan is made.

asciilifeform: would rather read mp_en_viaje gripe about idiot dependencies than set up another titanic tho.

asciilifeform: the 2nd ed. of 'costs' piece is still on track for oct 27. but currently asciilifeform's conscience torments him, feels wrong to actually charge anyffin until i know whatthefuck it is that the upstream is worth. would like to persuade folx to test, like diana_coman .

asciilifeform: ( there's diana_coman , ersatz-dulap hosting http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log + bot, and a trb . )

Bingoboingo: asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje doesn't have the problem of derp weather. He's got the problem of actually moving data.

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: aite. but if you did, a mp_en_viaje mirror would be a++ test of pipe.

asciilifeform would offer to mp_en_viaje another pilot, w/ properly written instruction manuals, but sadly cannot yet, the 'dulap' crates aint here yet, grr

Bingoboingo: mp_en_viaje: Oceanic cable? Sell "peering" relations?

mp_en_viaje: the things diana_coman was saying re dc isn't JUST dc

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: right, seems like they're on 'indian call center' level

mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, eh, i don't think they have it any season tbh.

asciilifeform: goodnight mp_en_viaje

mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-24#1948116 << ayup, precisely, usg paper asset thing, holding up a notional market.

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: makes sense.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-24 08:08:26 mp_en_viaje: hire someone when you're excellent at the job, not when you have nfi how to do it.

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i'm pretty much sold on 'aint no ddos, but only sad czechs' item.

asciilifeform: wb mp_en_viaje

asciilifeform: diana_coman: i rewrote comment and posted where belongs.

asciilifeform: diana_coman: ty. ( further re traps, imho e.g. python -c "print 11 ^ 77" aint much of hurdle )

asciilifeform: diana_coman: will do. ( as for spam trap, until i actually get chance to move my www to mp's wp system, the spam trap stays, i dun have slaves to filter the 400+ spamolas was getting erry day prior to installation of traps )

asciilifeform: diana_coman: typically (esp. folx who can't be arsed to xor 2 #s..) comment re my own text in log, rather than on www. so got habit of this. but yer right, comments oughta go on orig piece.

asciilifeform: diana_coman: noted, henceforth will comment there. ( in asciilifeform's pov is easier to follow comments in log, but really decision of author )

asciilifeform: diana_coman: do you have feedbot-comments set up ? ( i for instance do not, yet, tho afaik after recent fix my www supports comment-rss )

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-24 12:34:42 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-24#1947981 << i admit that actually surprised that none of'em (at least as chronicled) answered diana_coman with 'just how many boxes are you planning to buy, that you are also asking us to convert to new religion ?'

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-20 14:51:29 mp_en_viaje: people ~never change the machine names ; websites come and go. so i'd say 1/3 to 1/2 of the internet's like that.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-24 03:59:17 diana_coman: BingoBoingo: fwiw those new lawyers sound worse-than-useless to me, the type that will do their fixed and ineffective act but on your money.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-20 14:51:29 mp_en_viaje: people ~never change the machine names ; websites come and go. so i'd say 1/3 to 1/2 of the internet's like that.

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-10-24#1947981 << i admit that actually surprised that none of'em (at least as chronicled) answered diana_coman with 'just how many boxes are you planning to buy, that you are also asking us to convert to new religion ?'

snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-24 08:08:26 mp_en_viaje: hire someone when you're excellent at the job, not when you have nfi how to do it.

asciilifeform admits that slightly surprised that neither mp_en_viaje nor diana_coman made the yet-darker criticism, i.e. 'what is even the use of ssh fp on box w/out trng'

asciilifeform: diana_coman: how which relevant ?

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-23 19:59:48 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: if after all you dun need a znc , leave the thing switched on, i'ma reformat when next test pilot volunteers, until then will run trb , i want proper test of trb perf on apu1. but if you decide you want a znc, su znc ; znc -c will run promptistic configurator. then reboot, and you'll have it.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-24 07:57:25 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947933 << meanwhile did a 2nd pass, the result thereof should hit the rss feeds in a few mins. but yes ima leave it switched on.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-23 19:40:53 mp_en_viaje: (i do note that your 400byte letter omitted the string 65:75:33:c8:8d:95:9f:78:75:0e:06:d3:50:cd:21:71 or anything like it, which is plain silly ; but anyways. srsly now folks, do insert the fps, it hurts nothing aite)

snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-24 06:52:51 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947931 - this is something I end up asking for ~each time I get a new server; not sure why it's always forgotten.

BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: ty, baking a reply to the comment. I was not entirely without that suspicion. They just hit so many of the local "Flavor of Aunt dumb filters" that the tone of the brain dump was overpowered by that.

spyked: mp_en_viaje, it does this once in a while: the archival job is placed in a wait-queue and takes a while to process. problem is that this worked only on the 2nd try, 1st one returned a 503. so prolly they're overloaded or something.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-22 18:54:30 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: re those '200 hrs' , if there are actually 200hr/mo required for any part of this, i'ma have to hire ( BingoBoingo ?? ) an assistant. i dun have 200h/mo hidden up sleeve.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-23 13:56:34 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947779 << this might even make the first time anyone was hired to do lisp work in like... fifty years.

spyked: mornin' mp_en_viaje

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: if after all you dun need a znc , leave the thing switched on, i'ma reformat when next test pilot volunteers, until then will run trb , i want proper test of trb perf on apu1. but if you decide you want a znc, su znc ; znc -c will run promptistic configurator. then reboot, and you'll have it.

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: very good pt re fp! i'ma put it in the standard preflight checklist.

asciilifeform bbl,tea. ty mp_en_viaje for taking up test pilotage.

asciilifeform: the os is the current draft of 'asciilifeform-dulap' as earlier provided to diana_coman .

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: item is general-purpose pilot box, plz feel free to mutilate any way you like. the trb is a copy of 'zoolag', can replace w/ own favourite build, or switch off, etc. there is a nearly full chain. znc is set to smoketest knobs, if using , must reconfig.

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=n75d .

asciilifeform: !!key mp_en_viaje

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=J_sR

asciilifeform: oblig photo.

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: prepared, however, box, if still interested. runs trb and znc ( the latter w/ default config, presently logs into fleanode as 'pilotplant' and joins #a , can fill in yerself or switch off by removing the crontab ) on boot.

BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Holding company shennanigans, these folks failed to put Latecho out of business 4 years ago.

asciilifeform: *mp_en_viaje

asciilifeform: for mp_en_viaja, i have the choice of 1) standard rk, cum znc 2) apu1 w/ 1gb samsung ssd, cum znc, and in fact prepared trb on it also.

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: plox to gpg ssh key you want to use (or otherwise i'ma gen random pw and gpg to mp_en_viaje , and he can put in at leisure )

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: welcome aboard then, test pilot ! i'ma bake it.

asciilifeform: i'd have already smashed my desk if i had to live with irc conn like mp_en_viaje's

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: meanwhile does mp_en_viaje believe in bouncers ? could have 1 within 3h if you want.

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: let's come back to this after article, with your permission.

asciilifeform: can i persuade mp_en_viaje to take a (pro bono!) bouncer rk in asciilifeformstein ?

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: plox to elaborate ?

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-18 12:31:11 mp_en_viaje: as i was saying earlier in the proceedings, nsa could very well support this effort ; but it has to be fucking serious not penny ante flavour-of-the-week amateur show.

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-23 13:48:47 asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: uninterested -- then uninterested. and i'd rather find out nao, than later, so ty. i dun have the capital to spend fulltime, and find it odd that mp_en_viaje only nao realized this.

asciilifeform: why ty mp_en_viaje . ( i appreciate the tutoring even if mp_en_viaje dun want to subscribe )

ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-23 10:22:51 deedbot: diana_coman rated jfw 2 << my pageboy; writes at http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com

mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-23#1947796 << while all the other chicks from her hometown were busy mommyblogging... diana_coman 's been... doing other things, check her out lol.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-10-22 22:42:23 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-22#1947723 << imo 3% is already exaggerate. i'd be thinking more like a half percent, ideally.

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: in reality i dun think ever had this experience of 'do w/out trying', i suspect mp_en_viaje is drawing from own biography. asciilifeform was not 'child prodigy' and never had this .

asciilifeform actually had > beard in 20 than nao but dun want to ruin mp_en_viaje's flamemetaphor