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mircea_popescu: this is like the 20th dude.
mircea_popescu: if i were anyone else other than me i'd have a head the size of kamcheatka by now.
mircea_popescu: but in lighter news, http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/okcupid-rating-works.png
mircea_popescu: i am however convinced tghat i have no use for shit.
mircea_popescu: you gotta choose. either for the poor and then shit, or else gold but not for the poor.
mircea_popescu: fundamental problem here is that bitcoin started life trying to be "gold for the poor".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the correct solution is to keep a table.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pete_dushenski re the missing reports : i do intend to publish them asap. been delayed by an assortment of issues such as argentinian power, bitbet adventures etc. they'll get there.
mircea_popescu: protocol suffers from the same pass-by-reference issues the codebase suffers from.
mircea_popescu: yeah well.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla no, the only thing an address can do is send its whole contents.
mircea_popescu: this is the correct format for a bitcoin transaction : "address i[1..n] send their total contents as follows : B1 to address j1, B2 to address j2, Bm to address jm. therefore signed."
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> no, because <mircea_popescu> a transaction that spends bitcoin from an address, that is signed and that has the bitcoin may never be rejected. << once one's accepted [some of] the others no longer are discussing an address that has the btc.
mircea_popescu: fucking bs.
mircea_popescu: well... so bitbet update : we went from "bitcoin is broken, will be fixed at an unspecified future date no earlier than 2020" to "bitcoin is borken, we might have a circumvention in place before the year is out".
mircea_popescu: we're talking ~400k fiats here or some shit. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: gotta get a COMPETENT accountant to sit down and make a full list on fucking papert and then croiss them out and etc. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: so ?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i'm not tracking prb.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla fancy, "use a backup". yes, i have backups. and how the fuck do i identify which payments of the HUGE batch of bitbet payments for end of year were made and which weren't, so i don't end up doublepaying ?
mircea_popescu: any other ideas while i'm throwing away money ?
mircea_popescu: yeah, right, spending the 10's of k's to fix this is not good enough, ima commit to endless millions to have electrum audited to production environment level. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: hahahaha WHAT THE FUCK
mircea_popescu: soooo....
mircea_popescu: what did you do ?
mircea_popescu: ima have the thing rescanned and resent. but god damned this has to be fixed omfg.
mircea_popescu: thanks for teh effort kakobrekla jurov.
mircea_popescu: nah, he drove a sort of british trabant. kept causing someone else's robin to overturrn
mircea_popescu: http://www.theautomotiveindia.com/forums/attachments/technical-zone/97708d1373536167-unlocking-your-car-emergency-mrbean.jpg
mircea_popescu: this arrangement reminds me of mr bean's car door latch.
mircea_popescu: and it'd be right an' proper.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla and one would be mined and that'd be that.
mircea_popescu: here asciilifeform, even more stuff to fix off your father's bitcoin. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i never afore today realised this braindamage is actually in there ;/ ☟︎
mircea_popescu: what the fuck sort of braindamaged zombie idiot designs things like this ;/
mircea_popescu: oh god damned. WHO THE FUCK DID THIS!
mircea_popescu: i'm fucking queasy.
mircea_popescu: input is... what ?!
mircea_popescu: doh.
mircea_popescu: motherfucker what ?! ☟︎
mircea_popescu: wut ?
mircea_popescu: explain like i'm five omaigerd!
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i dun get it ?
mircea_popescu: inputs reference addresses.
mircea_popescu: this is irrelevant. txids are not part of transactions.
mircea_popescu: a transaction that spends bitcoin from an address, that is signed and that has the bitcoin may never be rejected. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: unless you can say that you've nothing to say.
mircea_popescu: then you should say "i see a doublespend on your input for tx d8e60a0979024cce9159bd7b59594eae7dec627db5ac6bd088866afea533b0e9"
mircea_popescu: there is not an acceptable explanation for why this should happen. in fact, it may not happen. period.
mircea_popescu: T is irrelevant for this discussion. i send btc to address x. this confirms. what t it has does not matter. i send btc from address x. this fails to be included.
mircea_popescu: no dude, it's not orphaned or anything. it's in the chain. again, 400+ fucking confirmations should mean something.
mircea_popescu: that what ?
mircea_popescu: in any case : at the time d8e60a0979024cce9159bd7b59594eae7dec627db5ac6bd088866afea533b0e9 was broadcast, one of the numerous txids corresponding to its input had in fact been confirmed, for 6+ blocks.
mircea_popescu: huh ?
mircea_popescu: in fact, if anything can change output address, or if a third party can invalidate a valid txn i signed, bitcoin is dead.
mircea_popescu: "malleation" can not change address.
mircea_popescu: "output" means address.
mircea_popescu: and in any case that MUST be all.
mircea_popescu: as long as the fucking address has coins and was signed, that is ALL.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla transactions consist of a signed bitcoin address. not of a signed bitcoin txnid.
mircea_popescu: now*
mircea_popescu: but that is ALSO irrelevant : if the address had only cpoins now, the tx should go out... noe.
mircea_popescu: yes, when i issued the tx.
mircea_popescu: again : 428 Confirmations, aboutg 3 days old.
mircea_popescu: jurov the coins i used were confirmed.
mircea_popescu: seems bitcoin needs to be fixed.
mircea_popescu: because...
mircea_popescu: if it explains the behaviour or not isn't really all that germane.
mircea_popescu: beyond this... what am i to do ?
mircea_popescu: i am not in the business of debugging the blockchain, really. i am in the business of making payments. i can in fact prove that i did sign a transaction, from an address that had the coin, to the addresses that should get it. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: seeing how one signs THE ADDRESS not the fucking txid, this is irrelevant
mircea_popescu: (at all times) an infinity of txids corresponding to any transaction floating around
mircea_popescu: look : there's)
mircea_popescu: yes, d8e60a0979024cce9159bd7b59594eae7dec627db5ac6bd088866afea533b0e9 has a single input, from 1EMmmcooTXe64SY5X3FwTC1HU1t32XLWPx
mircea_popescu: that'd be about 3 days.
mircea_popescu: Confirmations428 Confirmations
mircea_popescu: so ?
mircea_popescu: are we ?
mircea_popescu: if we're discussing d8e60a0979024cce9159bd7b59594eae7dec627db5ac6bd088866afea533b0e9
mircea_popescu: https://blockchain.info/tx/09e82c06cc5fbe3c0f2c2b6a1f575e8ecbb2a92bb493ca3a318525b1eeabe2bd << as you can see the input is mined
mircea_popescu: jurov no ?
mircea_popescu: wut ?
mircea_popescu: all my inputs are actual inputs as found in a block, not implicit inputs as found in a txn
mircea_popescu: the txn aren't chained. i don't do that.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla actually, your theory is incorrect.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i guess bitcoin has a problem then.
mircea_popescu: but yeah, it's what floored me, dude you're riding a chainsaw now ?!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform apparently they also make motorcycles.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i was saying : nono, no bash yet, you missed the punchline. he bought himself a.... husqvarna!
mircea_popescu: heh lost connection.
mircea_popescu: haha!
mircea_popescu: what suv does 500/mo get you ? honda ?
mircea_popescu: sorta made me think if simpson's sperms.
mircea_popescu had 5 vans from the elec company milling about/parked all around.
mircea_popescu: jurov eh these derps, still figuring out electricity.
mircea_popescu: hhhola
mircea_popescu: and in a year';s time, no more usg, not ever again.
mircea_popescu: if he hadn't the vacation would have been permanent.
mircea_popescu: however, the way the winnings and losses were distributed there, it seems altogether unlikely that ever happens again.
mircea_popescu: ooooo yeah. pretty much the only thing bahamas did was the entire boehner derpitude.