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mats: 6:50:29 <+mircea_popescu> since mats brought it up : yeah, currently people can't audit bitbet's reserves. this is unfortunate, but i'm not going to do anything about it. << i was going
a bit crazy auditing the code, thought id bungled it somehow
assbot: Logged on 14-04-2015 04:06:20; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell chetty i'd be much obliged if you could procure me
a phone and
a sim - the cheapest that makes and receives calls will be more than adequate
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100530 << on which line, trinque you'd seriously shoot
a burglar ? and i don't mean shoot them in the head, just, one to the kneecap for good measure. seems to me woefully excessive. the... only time i was in
a situation of that nature the dudes beat the shit out of the guy and i thought it was excessive even for the time and place.
☝︎ assbot: Logged on 14-04-2015 03:39:56; asciilifeform: methinks felipelalli is expressing the traditional frustration of the 3 to 6 month n00b to #b-
a:
mircea_popescu: williamdunne yes, it would be. it'd make it possible to be wrong, and then guilty. which is the main reason the law as
a construct even exists : save people that.
mircea_popescu: and for that matter, imagine how the place looked after ows was done with it ? all the discarded packaging etc ? this was supposedly
a group of civically-minded folks.
mircea_popescu: actually the only useful function of
a jury these days.
mircea_popescu: "the only reason you want the jury is because you hope to trick it with things
a judge wouldn't fall for."
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100440 << amusingly enough in japan jury trials were (and perhaps still to some degree are) very dimly regarded. people thought that someone willing to cast his fortune on the disinterested call of
a dozen uninformed people rather than have
a specialist handle it could not possibly have any sort of case.
☝︎ assbot: Logged on 14-04-2015 02:48:26; decimation: what's
a jury trial other than having your wot judge your actions?
mircea_popescu: in fact, the ability of
a user to create pseudo-trust out of nothing, just like the "ability" of
a perpetuum mobile to extract energy out of the void, just like the "ability" of
a government to print money are the same thing, really : the degrading macula of subhumanity.
assbot: Logged on 14-04-2015 02:45:36; trinque: maybe someday you must maintain over
a certain rating to deal in certain spheres of influence
assbot: Logged on 14-04-2015 02:45:01; williamdunne: I'm not saying its
a good idea, I just think its interesting as an idea
mircea_popescu: actually, it seems to be resolving. that was
a very spooky 5 minutes up there.
assbot: Logged on 14-04-2015 02:33:44; asciilifeform: felipelalli: one not-inaccurate way to think about 'cipherpunkian' systems such as bitcoin or wot is as attempts to emulate
a kind of incorruptible god
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-04-2015#1100378 << morally neutral god of all knowledge ? interesting, incidentally, that the price the various jewish groups (including xtians) had to pay for the "church-state" frankenstein was overloading the correct notion of god with the notion of
a "correct" god. only once god knew all AND GAVE
A SHIT ABOUT THE KING'S WILL was there to be mandatory churchgoing and burning of
☝︎ assbot: Logged on 14-04-2015 02:25:49; asciilifeform: sadly, i suspect that even
a thousand threads like this one will not suffice in hammering the point home to the thickest
mircea_popescu: the idea that you even care about "alt identities" is pure totalitarianism, about on the level of
a "forum mod" trying to "enforce forum rules" with "bans". rank nonsense. the way it goes is the other way : only let people in that have
a business in.
mircea_popescu: obviously it wouldn't be. if you're
a waiter and you get married now you're
a waiter and
a husband. big whoop.
assbot: Logged on 14-04-2015 02:18:16; asciilifeform: as the 'ban' thing unfolds, honeypots like zimmerman's which specifically sell on the point of 'l337 d00dz against nsa' will either
a) quietly fade away b) somehow continue in what they presently are, in spite of supposed 'bans'
assbot: Logged on 14-04-2015 02:17:36; williamdunne: felipelalli: Not sure if its
a good idea or not at this point, but interesting to think about. Very hard to prove we are the sole instance of ourselves
mircea_popescu: it can make all the passports it wants, ima credit someone on the basis of that as much as i'd credit someone presenting
a reader's digest letter.
assbot: Logged on 14-04-2015 02:15:38; felipelalli: asciilifeform: thank you, good point, but it could be offset with the WoT where the ability to analyze
a real document would be taken into account. williamdunne thank you! Nice to hear that! I was thinking about it for days! Do you know who are working on similar standard?
mircea_popescu: and yes, sucks for the remnant of teh middle class, obviously. which, i suppose, is
a good summary of
a large chunk of "what to do" discussions here.
mircea_popescu: "In this case, the U.S. Attorney, while castigating politicians in Albany for playing fast and loose with the ethical rules that govern their conduct, strayed so close to the edge of the rules governing his own conduct that Defendant Sheldon Silver has
a non-frivolous argument that he fell over the edge to the Defendant’s prejudice."
pete_dushenski: 'jooz' having lost its former lustre in this case, however, and now being
a synonym for idiotic equalitarians.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell chetty i'd be much obliged if you could procure me
a phone and
a sim - the cheapest that makes and receives calls will be more than adequate
☟︎ ben_vulpes: chetty: can i get
a favor from you in exchange?
williamdunne: asciilifeform: I saw you tear the Entropy apart
a-while-back, did they fix your main concerns?
trinque: the point when saying something about
a person of obvious identity is identifying the *author*, not him
mats: interfacing the real WoT with some federated, poorly implemented imitation is
a recipe for disaster
felipelalli: asciilifeform: in the car I was thinking about
a solution and I think I found it: what if the "derivated mirrored user" was just an ID of
a social network like Facebook or Twitter? Before strike me, let me explain my motivation:
decimation: nope. as the magna carta says: "For
a trivial offence,
a free man shall be fined only in proportion to the degree of his offence, and for
a serious offence correspondingly, but not so heavily as to deprive him of his livelihood. In the same way,
a merchant shall be spared his merchandise, and
a husbandman the implements of his husbandry, if they fall upon the mercy of
a royal court. None of these fines shall be imposed except by the
trinque: felipelalli: have
a nice eve
decimation: felipelalli: that's
a fact for
a jury to decide upon
felipelalli: decimation: I said injustice in the meaning of someone uses
a fake ID to blacklist someone unduly, just that.
williamdunne:
A group of people you don't know without the full information deciding whether or not to lock you in
a cage?
decimation: what's
a jury trial other than having your wot judge your actions?
☟︎ trinque: neither wots, cops or gods can prevent the former, and the latter's easier to do with
a WoT
trinque: if I take
a big shit in every business deal I'm ever
a part of, I'll either outsmart everyone and win, or the shit's going to catch up to me
felipelalli: asciilifeform: I am convinced the idea is broken at the point where you can not identify someone accurately. This could easily lead to injustice. But I will try more mature the idea. williamdunne raises
a good point: if you follow the WoT, maybe someone is "good" or "trustful" to identify others.
trinque: maybe someday you must maintain over
a certain rating to deal in certain spheres of influence
☟︎ williamdunne: I'm not saying its
a good idea, I just think its interesting as an idea
☟︎ trinque: felipelalli: the tool to apply is
a WoT, but you can't force people to identify only once
williamdunne: asciilifeform: I think he is really just looking for
a way to make sure that each person only carries one identity, and the best way he can think of is
a passport
felipelalli: trinque:
a "mirror derivated user" like br-8d255152 (deriveted from my doc) would be useful only as "INPUT". There is no output from br-8d255152. This is useful for make
a blacklist of scammers that don't use OTC. It could be derivated from my full name, for example: "Felipe Micaroni Lalli"= br-89402f8d
trinque: felipelalli: an observation about myself: cleaning out
a headfull of shit takes time.
felipelalli: trinque: the "doc number" is just
a way to identify
a user globally, but could be another thing.
trinque: meaning no offense to felipelalli, he seems to not realize that his reverence for said govt official who names and numbers the people is
a mystical belief
trinque: say
a fool staggers in and he wants to learn; where to even begin?
felipelalli: ben_vulpes: so, supose you are
a usg agent and everybody knows your ability, you rate 10 the user br-8d255152, even if that user had 20x -10, I'd trust in your rate. The point is just the standard. The WoT serves as
a natural filter.
ben_vulpes: i speak of an ascii blob i receive over whatever channel - is this not
a document?
trinque: asciilifeform: force ISPs to drop traffic not using
a sanctioned key?
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> felipelalli: someone who is not
a usg agent has no ability whatsoever to verify the legitimacy of any document but that of the most laughable fake << asciilifeform re
williamdunne: felipelalli: Not sure if its
a good idea or not at this point, but interesting to think about. Very hard to prove we are the sole instance of ourselves
☟︎ trinque: asciilifeform: they're going to need
a big false flag
felipelalli: asciilifeform: thank you, good point, but it could be offset with the WoT where the ability to analyze
a real document would be taken into account. williamdunne thank you! Nice to hear that! I was thinking about it for days! Do you know who are working on similar standard?
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