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mircea_popescu: but in any case - i'm perhaps the worst market for any language. sort-of like a grasshopper is no market for leather goods.
mircea_popescu: lol. i think we did something with it in school. dun recall so well.
asciilifeform: (no, not 'cobol for snob', as i once thought as a kid)
mircea_popescu: i guess i mostly use bash to php in.
mircea_popescu: i don't write any c, either, or c++. i've never written either java or javascript. i sometimes to a little bash, and always to dig up natural language strings in natural language dialects. or otherwise mess the mup.
mircea_popescu: but...i ain't got much to say
mircea_popescu: imagine me like a guy that has no poem to write. k ? so i don't write in italian. splendid language for the best of poems, and even for talking melodicly about the tv shows.
gabriel_laddel: I'll take that as "no".
mircea_popescu: i think it's a fine language! i just don't have anything to do in it.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: nah, I'm writing something now for other reasons, will link when finished if you've not.
mircea_popescu: have i ended up like the lisp heathen or something ?
mircea_popescu: "I think that, like species, languages will form evolutionary trees, with dead-ends branching off all over. We can see this happening already. Cobol, for all its sometime popularity, does not seem to have any intellectual descendants. It is an evolutionary dead-end-- a Neanderthal language."
asciilifeform: i'd bet it's a solid, tangible string
mircea_popescu: "i'm married - gotta make sure my kids have no better anything to look up to than i did"
asciilifeform: (what string? ask gerald davis or any of the rest, i've no idea)
assbot: Logged on 12-01-2015 21:22:05; mircea_popescu: "4. You don't deserve to know any of that. It's none of your business. I invited my readers to chip in on a project--or not. I did not invite you to worm your nose into every aspect of my life, hunt down pictures of my home, call me names, or tell me I was worthless, arrogant, greedy, and undeserving. But you want to rip me bare and expose how awful you're sure I am. I get it, you want me transparent
phillipsjk: I was in Cadets for a while, and liked map&compass.
phillipsjk: I think GPS recievers include maps now, but still.
mircea_popescu: god damned i can't find this
asciilifeform: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/ident?_i=VerifySignature
phillipsjk: I don't understand the complete implementation details, but how do they how to convert the signatures without messing with the merkle tree? Have a table of weird transactions?
asciilifeform: i pulled an openssl out of me arse
asciilifeform: found video subbing tool, and though that there was a list of things i was once going to sub, but for some reason found in my notes only this.
mircea_popescu: hey anyone remembers these bits i quoted some weeks ago about this woman that did a kickstarter-like thing for her oyung adult novel
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: heh i do. i actually made a buck on that scam.
mircea_popescu: ironically, irc was a big thing when i was a teen. then pretty much forgot about it. only rediscovered it in a frustrated attempt to make sense of the ever mounting idiocy that bitcoin appeared to be. ☟︎
danielpbarron: when i was in college, i sorta made a fool of myself by giving a presentation about irc in some computer class; the presentation was supposed to be about some online business we were supposed to have come up with in a semester. In retrospect, it was exactly the right thing to present; kids growing up without awareness of irc is not helping them
mircea_popescu: i think that's exactly what they're going for :)
Guest70720: i'm still trying to understand how this irc thing works. I've been lurking for quite a while but mostly on the blogs and forums
Guest70720: hi now i can spam you like crazy for 30mins
mircea_popescu: i guess ima write this up.
assbot: Looking for investment in my new startup "Facade". The model is simple, I take your money, do what I want for a year then you write it off
asciilifeform: i would have guessed that this is to be a 'cliff's notes' (american book series of ready-baked crib sheets for f-students) for sicp, but the latter is no longer (afaik) assigned in school
mircea_popescu: i guess it's almost done by now ? 6 months later ?
mircea_popescu: so if i fuck you, and you get pregnant, well... is it worth it ?
mircea_popescu: " This of course adds the complexity to Clojure. The question is – does this acquired complexity worth it? I think it does. You gain a platform that is being poured thousands of man-hours every year into, you gain a GC that is being optimized for you, you gain the crossplatformity basically for free. You may call that opportunism but it works after all."
mircea_popescu: i think you know him.
mod6: ok was able to pass 168,001 on my aws instance with configuration: openssl 1.0.1g + v0.5.3 + patches { 1, rm_rf_upnp, 2, 3, 4, 6 & 7 } : http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=aBLX9YVy
mircea_popescu: i suppose "resonance chamber" isn't actually a good enough answer.
mircea_popescu: im pretty sure i saw simple funel shapes
mircea_popescu: i guess perhaps he was in some definition
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform laugh if you will, but if pressed to come up with a definition of humanity, at least as an ideal object, the most sound i can think up is, "that collection of objects which construct relations which degrade gracefully"
mircea_popescu: now that... that is EXACTLY what i had in mind earlier.
asciilifeform: or if did, i'm unaware.
mircea_popescu: i thought he was a womanizer
mircea_popescu: also obligatory, wilde. "i will leave it to you to fix the ifs and thens and wherefores"
mircea_popescu: as in, "i've never heard it before"
mircea_popescu: so i agree that talking to computers is loathsome. however, i often use note takers when speaking rather than writing myslelf. the latter explains the former.
mircea_popescu: hm, actually, woul you prefer i comment there ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re the "Have you ever actually used a speech recognition system to enter serious lengths of text? " line in your comments : i agree talking to a comp
mod6: <+asciilifeform> back to the boojum - do i misunderstand or did the thing unwedge when moved to 'modern' openssl ? << yup, that's what unwedged it. move from openssl v0.9.8o -> openssl 1.0.1g
asciilifeform: back to the boojum - do i misunderstand or did the thing unwedge when moved to 'modern' openssl ?
mod6: So, yeah, there are a number of topics that we look forward to discussing with you about future of the R.I. We'll get there. :]
mircea_popescu: "do not tell me of what seems acceptable as an idea to pudgy people driving on the interstate towards connecticut. i do not care."
mod6: asciilifeform: One school of thought is to take the wallet, and place it outside of the R.I. as a seperate entity.
asciilifeform: i suppose that'd be why
mod6: <+asciilifeform> roll in the five or six pieces that are actually used. << I want to collect some more data on this issue. But I'm open to discussing this option going forward.
mircea_popescu: i used to like dropping in on them now and again.
mircea_popescu: the one truely thing i deeply regret from 2014
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> this is pretty massive if true. mod6 do you feel like testing for this insanity specifically ? << yes, im sure that i'll dig into this further
asciilifeform: that i was unable to make myself read the whole thing
asciilifeform: i must confess
mod6: and now wedges for some crazy reason. now I'm gonna upgrade to 1.0.1g there as well (just upgraded my deb6 on vbox vm to start with) and try to pass the wedge too.
mircea_popescu: oh oh oh i see
mod6: so thats ^^^ my version of openssl on my aws instance, and i've sync'd successfully at lesat a dozen times in the last 4 months on there
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform can you be specific rather than rhetoric ? i dun follow
mod6: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=KgQwrzYM
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i am willing to bet there are over 1kbugs in this thing. all distinct.
mod6: so far. it's really weird still though, because i wasn't having this problem before. and we've always been using an old ssl.
mod6: i upgraded openssl
mod6: i just got a chance to work on it again here now.
mod6: i just passed block 168,001
mircea_popescu: am i a bad person for lulzing at this ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i had some toast earlier, the toaster:~$ said :L)
danielpbarron: i'm happy to experiment with alternatives
asciilifeform: i used the disk image from it
danielpbarron: when i searched the log for pogo, i found that linked
danielpbarron: one of the steps in the arch install might have done something to the built in flash; i'm not sure to be honest
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: so possibly you got a slightly more recent fw than i
trinque: I-I just want to swim in a lake not filled with shit!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: trinque: how do you propose to have the browser end run cl? << haha this i wanna see. clonqueror.
danielpbarron: i used brand new unused hard drives.. is it possible that has anything to do with it?
danielpbarron: hm, mine was so easy to do i felt weird re-writing instructions for it
asciilifeform: the unit i have, had to be reflashed with a modern build of this, to boot from anywhere other than the kernel and root partitions in eeprom
danielpbarron: i followed the instructions on the archlinux page for pogo and it worked
danielpbarron: i should add more stuff like that so it isn't all command line copy paste
mircea_popescu: actually i'm kinda half curious how many us based conf attendants discover at the border that the newly expanded tsa doth not agree their passport holds any value.
trinque: if I ever make it out of the gravity well I'd love to get an actual education.
mircea_popescu: trinque i think the concern is to be approached on two lines, empirically. line 1) what % of queries constitute powerplays and b) what % of queries result in interesting education that a noob reading logs would benefit from. ☟︎
trinque: I try to only ask a few stupid questions a day :P
asciilifeform: 'omg1111!!111 i am so interested in xxxxxxxx tell me moar'
asciilifeform: the last straw was the bugger 'shannonizing' my www. i wonder if there's some 'person' that this genuinely works on.
asciilifeform: i - can't be bothered.
asciilifeform: trinque: i suppose anyone here who hasn't killfiled, will learn the answer.
asciilifeform: i hope they send him off to wherever they demoted ninjashogun to.
the_scourge: i need to head off... this weekend i'm going to look into the parallella. i'm curious if a symbolics machine could be implemented in it's FPGA
the_scourge: bindings are a really personal thing. i just hope that i can learn emacs and manage to use leaders for everything, that's all :)
the_scourge: well i've seen a lot of gnarled old hands. all of them told me it was chording that did it
the_scourge: trinque: yes, i agree
the_scourge: i've noticed you don't capitalize a lot of the time