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r0nin-: well i agree,
the SEC has zero say with bitcoin because it simply isnt a security
mircea_popescu: r0nin-
that end is not
the problem.
the problem is
that usg has no better claim
to ontology
than a random wow guild.
r0nin-: bitcoin is exactly
the same
thing as 'in-game currency'
r0nin-: bitcoin is
the equivalent of game
tokens
mircea_popescu: anyway. fellow should read
the above linked item and
the discussion of causes and purposes, and
try again.
r0nin-: Furthermore, while it is
true
that Bitcoin may be regarded as an item of value by one or more people,
this also is
true of
the in-game currency of each and every single one game ever released
to
this date and
to be released for
the conceivable future.
r0nin-: a USG bond is just a
time deposit
r0nin-: well he doesnt say
that
mircea_popescu: and weaponry is
to be used as per fucking manual and design, not obliquely wtf.
mircea_popescu: beleive it or not
this is
the logic i use all
the
time. what, you
think rich people get a special science / engineering
that works differently ?
mircea_popescu: alternative candidates have nothing speaking for
them.
mircea_popescu: 4096 is
the smallest power of
two which produces a rsa key
that is, factually, incomputable.
mircea_popescu: increasing
tank size up
to
the 4096 bit
tank pays off. increasing
tank size past 4096 bit
tank results in fucking panthers and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nevertheless,
there is an optimal bullet per
target, and nobody makes
the calibre
twice as big. if not because
their mind works enough
to understand why not,
then because
the very sad experience of
the nazis illustrates why
the fuck not.
mircea_popescu: this is nonsense argument, and in fact
they could "afford" both but
they don't fucking use both.
they use
the correctly sized one based on human
thickness and wetware bullet refraction properties.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
this is EXACTLY not
the case. i am saying "7.62 is sufficient, because it will blow a hole
through man, as result of interplay of actual universal constants" and you are saying "yes but 15.2 would be bigger".
mircea_popescu: the man who lost 100 bits is
the same man who will lose 200 bis.
mircea_popescu: the way
this conversation is going, we can't have children us
two until we get
the baby room properly furnished and
the safest crypto op is one
that never finishes.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: to quote
that film i reviewed recently, "what do
they want for
their lousy 35 cents ?
to live forever ?"
mircea_popescu: if ~you~, joe, leak bits,
then you, joe, are responsible, and you, joe, pay for
the fix. not
the fucking cryptosystem.
mircea_popescu: but
there shall never be a systematic solution for
tactical failure.
mircea_popescu: 4096 is
the largest power of
two which makes a key
that is incomputable.
mircea_popescu: in any case, entirely incomparable items. yes, people do dumb shit all
the
time. but
this doesn't mean people doing
the right
thing should do it once and wear a vest "to make sure".
mircea_popescu: the "two digit year"
thing is incomparable
to
the 4096 bit
thing, because
the 4096 bit
thing is backed by "the whole universe, if it set
to computing, still wouldn't EVER get even close
to breaking a key".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, and
that's
the discussion here. if it's costly in excess of utility
then
the WHOLE
thing is broken, and "fixes" in
the sense contemplated merely further
the breakage.
mircea_popescu: ie, currently
they don't exist. later on,
they will. later still,
they'll break. laterer yet
they'll be replaced.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
they can be replaced like any other man made item.
mircea_popescu: now,
the above is an opinion you or anyone is welcome
to hold, like any other opinion. i however don't hold it.
mircea_popescu: the point remains : if what you are saying it's not practical
to change keys (ie,
that
the per-op value add of key is less
than
the per-op value lost
to suspected leak)
THEN
therefore what you are saying is "rsa is not worth using"
mircea_popescu: which is what's contemplated here. "oh, changing keys (ie, buying house) is impractical.
therefore, let us
take out mortgage (pay a little evert
time we use key), because it's less affordable but more accessible and
the woman is
too dumb
to understand
the difference and we're
too castrated
to not let her run
the household)
mircea_popescu: if you can't afford
the house, you can even less afford
the mortgage.
mircea_popescu: understand asciilifeform : if you can't afford
to buy a house in cash,
this means YOU CAN'T AFFORD
THE HOUSE. period. go sleep under
the fucking bridge. and no,
the fact
that you ~could~ get a mortgage pay monthly DOES NOT!!!! make it now possible.
mircea_popescu: if
THAT isn't practical,
then sure as fuck larger keys aren't practical.
mircea_popescu: but
that is practical
to
the power ^1, whereas
thicker keys expensive
to ^ of n.
mircea_popescu: if you believe
that,
the correct solution is
to change keys, not
to make all
the keys randomly
thicker.
mircea_popescu: very possible, just don't
throw away your old car batteries.
mircea_popescu: so it being
the fundamental reasoning, it's ok
to have it explicit, but implicit or explicit it ain't gonna budge.
mircea_popescu: so if you're gonna plug, plug
the right end of funnel.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, but good pipe is finitely good ^ 1 whereas
tick pipe is expensive
to
the ^ n.
mircea_popescu: (honestly me
thought
the above is
the
tacit understanding at
the base of
the effort)
mircea_popescu: because expensive as it may be, it is WAY
the fuck cheaper
to make good pipe
than
to make
thicker pipe
to cover for all
the leaks due
to it being shitty pipe.
mircea_popescu: which is why we're putting all
this crazy effort into proper rsa, ffa etc.
mircea_popescu: yes, but my point here is
that it is perhaps a defensible heuristic, but not defensible reasoning,
to expect
that just because p, q and p*q are coupled in
that manner, any application
to do with
their coupling
therefore informs you as
to p or q.
mircea_popescu: by encrypting "hola bro"
to alf's key and getting $result, i now know a novel fact about alf's key!
mircea_popescu: you know for a fact
the encrypted
text will be decryptable by
the key, yes ?