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williamdunne: I understand with
a gender studies degree though..
williamdunne: If I invest in college, and the outcome is
a law degree, with which I become
a lawyer, how is that not investment?
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> what'd i run it on ? << it's not actually such
a bad idea to render the whole thing as flat files and do something cleverish w/comments
ben_vulpes: much as the girlies would like to "invest in their quality of life", such is just purchasing
a big of hedonism.
williamdunne: If you expect expenditure to result in
a return?
mircea_popescu: all the derpy parents that "invest" in their children are making
a stylistic choice of words, nothing more. it's
a waste not an investment.
trinque: if you have time for that, great; must not be much of
a war
Adlai: rifles are for hunters. war is not
a hunt, it is war
mircea_popescu: there is such
a thing as tools that make people smarter.
trinque: surely there's
a balance to be struck.
Adlai concludes that he should
a) write the btc-dev-darcs-wrapper, and b) keep it to himself, so other people have to write their own
trinque: but should
a hammer be called for, one limited such that it cannot be weaponized will also be gimped for hammering
mircea_popescu: the angle being discussed is : give
a man
a hammer, suddenly he's looking for nails.
trinque: this is
a distinct point from advocating git
Adlai: jurov: actually, you can go to .git and start reading to
a much larger degree than you can do so for .darcs; git provides
a provably-attributable signed directory (ie, signed file hierarchy), whereas darcs is
a signed diff from... whatever th efuck came before it
mircea_popescu: <trinque> the idea needs further development before anyone executes << he has
a point, and while attempted executions would prlly be useful iterations, it IS
a timesink.
williamdunne: ben_vulpes: I don't know if this exists outside of GitHub (I rather assumed it does) but when you fork
a repo so its your own version of it, you make changes to your own copy and then request that your changes are merged into the core repo
williamdunne: One of those is
a social issue, the other is solved by not accepting pulls from dickheads, no?
trinque: having history machine readable and enforced is I think also
a fine thing
trinque: having the canonical representation plaintext and readable I think is
a fine thing
ben_vulpes: williamdunne: git makes it easy to pretend to work on
a codebase by reindenting things
williamdunne: "Adlai envisions 'wothub' as
a content-addressable signed patchstore" well its doable, but I only have 'x' amount of time
jurov: btw, if
a bit lucky, mod_fastcgi was shipped and it's more widely supported than wsgi
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: please consider supplying
a normal machine.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the apxs ... thing fails with wsgi_python.h:24:20: error: Python.h: No such file or directory and half
a meg of other crapolade
Adlai: why not run
a real webserver?
Adlai: (it took
a couple tries)
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: apache won't play along with python without
a plugin 'mod_wsgi' which does not appear to exist in cpanel
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: how -the fuck- does one run
a python www proggy on cpanel box
Adlai: stfu my dog is
a mutt
Adlai: she was all "this is not
a good place for
a dog" and i was all "bullshit my dog loves this bar because it's EV patron loves dogs and my dog is lovable"
Adlai actually spend the alcohols chatting with
a dark-skinned lady who was 100% coherent despite also partaking of alcohols
mircea_popescu: this is
a problem which will have to be solved, eventually. maybe not by us, maybe not in our lifetimes,
mircea_popescu: it was going to be
a signed version of 448 lines of code
Adlai: tl;r: /me needs to write
a thingy that munges btc-dev into
a darcs repo, jurov needs to add
a general-dev mailing list so mircea_popescu can send his apache paches, and we'll all live ethanolly ever after. ssavvy?
assbot: Logged on 28-04-2015 20:28:40; williamdunne: Maybe there is
a good reason why this would not work, but could you not just generate an XML file that contains the names of all the files,
a hash of each file, and then sign the XML? Could be automated fairly easily and would work on top of existing solutions
trinque: lets say you alter
a table with some operation; were that operation data, you could programmatically alter views against the old version to be compatible with the new, to some extent
trinque: I can also easily produce
a new table which materializes the output of some view
ascii_field: there's perhaps half
a meg of generated 'do not edit!!!111!!!' crapolade in every config
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> it requires
a hard guarantee you will never want more than 10 categories at any level. << No, only on the top level... After that you wade into the horror of Cutter numbers
jurov: how will views solve that in version 1 you have
a name=value and in version 2 you need list?
trinque: and you can easily with something that isn't braindead SQL imagine
a model where the canonical representation can be changed, and new views derived from the operation taken to produce the new representation
mircea_popescu: it requires
a hard guarantee you will never want more than 10 categories at any level.
williamdunne: Guessing some people wanted to kick it old school and not move to the re-write, and there was enough of them that apache updated got called apache2, but thats just
a guess
trinque: it needs
a reflection system; I want to interrogate the system about its structure
trinque: system state should be
a database, if
a simple and perhaps even plaintext one
trinque: the lack of
a turnkey solution here is absurd, just
a shitty industry
mircea_popescu: the fact that i own
a gas station does in no way alleviate the problem that laurel&hardy cars.
trinque: this is why I'd like
a small board for the embedded space that does very little, and runs
a lisp
mircea_popescu: there ISNT
a bmw here. it's varnish or nginx. that's it. not like i'm running unheard-of-software
trinque: unix's "everything is
a file" is
a poor man's "everything is data"
☟︎ mircea_popescu: and cars NEVER worked like software works, outside of
a laurel and ollie short
trinque: this in any computer system worth
a shit
mircea_popescu: "musta been
a different car - and - gasoline combination i guess. going back (on foot) to gas station trying some more combos"
mircea_popescu: it would have been cheaper to buy
a server. if i were to bill 8 hours it'd be enough to buy
a fucking rack, and that's for doing stuff i actually like doing.
mike_c: nginx always works. I have never been disappointed in it. Recommending shit to people is always
a -EV process, but..
☟︎ mircea_popescu: finally found
a way to do that. EXCEPT it injects random data at random intervals, i end up with "ips" like "8�b]"
trinque: jurov: sounds like someone who doesn't deserve
a loan begging with "no dude, I'll like, do anything, man!"
mircea_popescu: mike_c yeah, im
a day wasted in here. i could waste another one. sure.
jurov: like, parents invest into you nd then expect to get
a "reasonable" part of your income
williamdunne: Its not really
a unique idea though, been done twice as far as I can tell. Both started in US but had obvious legal issues come up
williamdunne: Indeed, I'm not talking bout some sort of service where 100 people deposit money and then
a "money manager" decides who to invest in
williamdunne: trinque: Because people live on
a different timeperiod to the company in many cases
ascii_field: i'd be open to
a purely gnumake-based thing instead of the sh
☟︎ trinque: just thinking through it; I have no need to change nor authority to change
a process that works for them
trinque: so then just
a tree of IDs
trinque: seems like an ID of
a patch would obviously be some hash of it
trinque: the mailing list is
a shitty version of this
mircea_popescu: "expose
a box to the net just to fetch changes" << what, you want it to divine the changes ?
ascii_field: when i suddenly am expected to care what's in some xml turd, or expose
a box to the net just to fetch changes, or similar atrocities - i reach for barf bag
davout: ascii_field: that's what's being said, it's
a good tool if ascii_field doesn't know about it :D
ascii_field: trinque: and if any of you produce
a 100kB patch, and i barf on general principle and refuse to have anything more to do with project, don't say i didn't warn that vcs is harmful.
davout: if darcs is able to output clearsigned unix patches i really don't see
a reason not to use it, we can still review small individual units of work, and ascii_field's patches integrate gracefully
assbot: Logged on 28-04-2015 16:23:44; BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu is basically
a better read, less geographically restricted, and paler Qadaffi
ascii_field: i can't pipe
a branched repo to
a line printer
trinque: git solves this problem, and I can even email you
a patch directly out of git
trinque: this is sensible, sometimes work begins on
a feature that's later abandoned
trinque: it's just
a key value store