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asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1391858 <<< aaaaand this is where we learn that NOBODY READS THE MOTHERFUCKING LOGZ ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1391844 << i will move to the bottom of the sea, email will not begin to work again ☝︎
asciilifeform: always make -f makefile.unix clean
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1391701 << this looks like mod6 kept left-over crud from old linker run and it choked on it ☝︎
asciilifeform: ver string - sets, ver num - likewise.
asciilifeform: and runs, correctly
asciilifeform: IT BUILDS FINE HERE
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1391701 << dafuq ☝︎
asciilifeform: ok where do i start...
asciilifeform bbl
asciilifeform: fortunately for mircea_popescu , now i go and pet pet and wander around.
asciilifeform: let's use.
asciilifeform: 'hey this drill whirrs, more loudly even'
asciilifeform: sorta like going to a toy store to buy power tools
asciilifeform: also i laugh when folks take the spew of academitard 'compiler research' claptrap and try to actually use
asciilifeform: adlai: ergo why i did not pick cl
asciilifeform: it is my intention to do this to trb.
asciilifeform: phf: know the stories where, in the Dark Future of Hello Kitty, man's neurons are replaced one by one with robotic ones, and he doesn't notice ?
asciilifeform: rather than automatic claptrap.
asciilifeform: phf: annotate laboriously, by hand, and painfully aware of the impedance mismatches
asciilifeform: i can't speak for others, but 'i come to bury ' the garbage, not to praise it.'
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: but the mythical os.
asciilifeform: obviously not with the cpp garbage.
asciilifeform: adlai: me. ☟︎
asciilifeform: (and this is pointedly not the intent of shiva.)
asciilifeform: stop trying to attach life support to it.
asciilifeform: cpp is not merely braindamaged, it is a roadkill that has sat in the sun for all of july
asciilifeform: a cpp is that is interpreted, and where magic that normally happens during compilation can happen MORE THAN ONCE, and AT RUNTIME, is guaranteed semantic-distinct from ordinary cpp.
asciilifeform: think about it.
asciilifeform: even if this were so, this breaks the language semantics.
asciilifeform: embeds a cpp ~interpreter~ ?
asciilifeform: phf: you can't repl straight into cpp, and trying is guaranteed to bring you to grief
asciilifeform: foreign function interface
asciilifeform: phf: cpp does enough munging at compile time that this whole concept is disastrously meaningless
asciilifeform: but nobody ~needs~ 10,000 dogs.
asciilifeform: granted this is not 10,000 dogs.
asciilifeform: instead of ~5-10%
asciilifeform: it scales pretty well, if tmsr were an actual empire it could have a 100% mod6 and a 100% asciilifeform et al
asciilifeform: more like whale/euglena.
asciilifeform: it isn't infinite, but varies more than dog/whale.
asciilifeform: (i don't work at '10,000 dogs' shops, as a matter of principle)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm the 'whale' that moves the 10 tonnes, there.
asciilifeform: 10 tons.
asciilifeform: just me.
asciilifeform: there are no louts there, reading code.
asciilifeform: well yes
asciilifeform: hey, having resources and having the brains to not stoke the furnace with'em are different things
asciilifeform: (pretty sure it all stokes the furnace at the end of the day)
asciilifeform: can't disagree!
asciilifeform: mega-bezzlatron ~does~ have resources.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1391553 << hilariously, this is part of what i do for a living now. ☝︎
asciilifeform: 'scheme is the good half of cl'
asciilifeform: adlai: and here i picked a lisp with 0 slime support
asciilifeform: ^^
asciilifeform: (the 'llvm is satanic and must die' thing is not as clear-cut as i would like, it is actually MORE readable and hackable than gcc. but i'm allergic, i confess.)
asciilifeform: including llvm
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: mno. in yudkowsky's case, it meant being kicked out of high school.
asciilifeform: happy shithuntin'.
asciilifeform: go, read.
asciilifeform: 1169705
asciilifeform: find clasp-master/src -name '*' | xargs wc -l
asciilifeform: to specified level.
asciilifeform: the highest climb that has no joe.
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: phf: see my original vtron.
asciilifeform: phf: it does not. worked as shown.
asciilifeform: claims to 'compile to cpp' doesn't it ?
asciilifeform: http://community.schemewiki.org/?Stalin
asciilifeform: but it is pretty much the opposite of what we want here.
asciilifeform: there are good examples of this kind of thing, from the past, see 'chicken' and 'stalin'
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: clasp is one of those 'lisps without eval' isnnit.
asciilifeform: aha. mircea_popescu has it.
asciilifeform: see, there are multiple ways to go about it
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: that's when you bring out the press depth knob. OR alternatively sign the ones you want! and then press using a wot that contains only ben_vulpes
asciilifeform: you just use different wotsets.
asciilifeform: this automagically gives you 'mod6 & ben_vulpes release', or 'what mircea_popescu is willing to use', or ' asciilifeform's bleeding razor'
asciilifeform: vtron, in primary mode of operation, is to climb the tree, as high as it can on each branch, operating using the current wotset
asciilifeform: wot
asciilifeform: you vary the vot.
asciilifeform: the wot!
asciilifeform: BUT THE WOT
asciilifeform: it is because, in my original concept, the main knob that is to be twiddled by the operator is not the press head,
asciilifeform: and why i thought this to be sufficient ?
asciilifeform: does anyone recall how my original vtron only showed linear flow ?
asciilifeform: i came back to console because i realized that mircea_popescu was making a VITAL point that is in danger of being glossed over
asciilifeform: but right now i'ma go to meatspace and won't be back until nightfall.
asciilifeform: later.
asciilifeform: anyway if somebody insists on tamping versionstring and versionstring-fix into one path, i will read and sign it.
asciilifeform: but there it is.
asciilifeform: this is my official take on the question, which obviously nobody has to listen to.
asciilifeform: manually re-grinding everything every fucking time somebody finds a bug, is scutwork, and the time could be used to do something useful.
asciilifeform: we can live with the history !
asciilifeform: whole point of v is to avoid having to pretend that symphony was farted out in one perfect go.
asciilifeform: but imho this is unnecessary sweat.
asciilifeform: mod6: if you want to backport the patch and the afterpatch, etc. i will read and sign the result.
asciilifeform: replacement?! whyt?!!!
asciilifeform: mod6: i am utterly confused now ?
asciilifeform: waiwut
asciilifeform: (in the orchestra, that is)