log☇︎
164600+ entries in 8.66s
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2015#1037154 << i have my doubts about this "productive" perspective. ☝︎
gabriel_laddel: Youtube doesn't have grep, and I'm not going to troll through all these videos to find the one I'm thinking of. In any case, in one of them he states that "scientists have been replaced with baccarats" and that "MOOCs are not going anywhere"
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> i'd guess that many folks can't even think about this subject without their brain melting from rage << a good eighth of my time is spent talking smart young guys down out of a shartup-inspired rage attack
mircea_popescu: in this line : "oh mp must be insane to spend all his time on irc, if i was rich i'd do [???]".
gabriel_laddel: Eh, I read his startup notes, he has a brain.
gabriel_laddel: lol I know
asciilifeform: i'm not certain that it is possible to give him a heuristic good enough that he can ditch 'r-strategy' and go with 'k-strategy', to use the zoologist's terms
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suspect the idea wasn't that, but to educate thiel so he's less of a schmuck.
asciilifeform: 'why should -this- piece of shit get 100k to enjoy life, while i sit on this stake...'
asciilifeform: i'd guess that many folks can't even think about this subject without their brain melting from rage
gabriel_laddel: A summary of my points. 1) there are some people attempting to fund basic science 2) I don't agree with all of their funding decisions 3) this isn't the first instance of this occuring in history
asciilifeform: 100k buys half a garage where i live
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: i confess that thiel's experiment would be considerably more interesting if it were 100m not 100k
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i recall.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i did try to convince the fella.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform understand, i'm not proposing anyone's obliged to follow any particular flight of fancy.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: but what if your work is meaningless without $b synchrophasotron ? <<< i thought it was 50k.
gabriel_laddel: I'm not saying that I beneficiary agree with Thiel's funding decisions, but I am pointing out that there are people attempting to fund basic science, and that there are two specific people I've cited who can be vetted for their contributions.
asciilifeform: thus far i know of no particular reason why thiel picked the folks he did
assbot: Logged on 28-02-2015 04:19:51; mircea_popescu: if you ask the slut, often enough it's because "he's the only one that asked, and i was getting bored"
gabriel_laddel: Does this qualify? will she produce anything of interest? I don't yet know.
gabriel_laddel: ^ here is a blog I've not gotten around to reading yet
gabriel_laddel: ^ I don't see that this is true.
decimation: I'm not using the word 'random' to mean 'acausal'
gabriel_laddel: we know sorta-kinda how it is going to function, but I expect to be pleasantly surprised
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=tLsXBtS9 << passable 'pro' translation
mircea_popescu: decimation there's a reason i don't live in "civilised" shitholes. i can taste their "feasts of engineering".
mircea_popescu: decimation i think it was here. i didn't care to check it out.
asciilifeform: i suppose i gotta translate it now
decimation: mircea_popescu: I assume you saw this article http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/feb/21/a-feast-of-engineering-whats-really-in-your-food
asciilifeform: something like 'decay isn't this old witch who walks around, it's you and i having bad aim and missing the pisser'
asciilifeform: there's a great ru line from, i think, 'dog's heart'
decimation: I had a similar experience when I went to italy on holiday
asciilifeform: my brain melted the first time i learned that many folks in usa can't really make themselves eat actual food
mircea_popescu: there's even a chain of HORRIBLE icecream. in this town, that has the best icecream i have ever tasted, by a long shot, and abundantly supplied by numerous artisanal gelaterias
mircea_popescu: i can't tell you how many times i've stormed out of a shithole, inexplicable in context.
asciilifeform: i'll point out that publishing -everything- one does is generally a habit of mediocrities desperate for attention
gabriel_laddel: From what I could tell, from reading his usenet posts, he continues to work at Occidental research corp.
gabriel_laddel: Ah. I'd like to point out that Al, unlike Mr. M has done useful work in the interim.
mircea_popescu: i grew permanganate crystals, at least that's a meth precurso.
asciilifeform: i even marvel that he managed to grow the benzil crystal without going to jail
asciilifeform: incidentally, iirc i also suggested use of microbolometer (aka infrared camera chip die) as a cheapo version of microcalorimeter
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: i can only speak re: the costs of the component which i was to wangle time on
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: well, I was asking Stan specifically becuase he could supply detailed information as to costs and political constraints
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: I don't know the cost associated with calibrating these instruments and can't speak to the truth of that
asciilifeform: the one i very nearly ended up participating in, is described (roughly) in earlier link
mircea_popescu: not is of course practice, which is to say : if I were to declare I am ignoring "all that Einstein jazz", all physics penned after 1900 or so, and then built a cathodic tube television that worked just fine without accounting for quantum effects, the trashing and bashing of Einstein fans would be all in vain : I'll just shrug my shoulders, keep building and selling my television sets and care not on whit of whatever th
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for some reason i thought you had a handle on the 'provenance' thing - that is, that al doesn't win unless his opponents actually lose by their own rules and surrender by their own free hand
mircea_popescu: i suppose it's time to do a kickstarter.
mircea_popescu: imagine! "i won't accidentally discover clorophorm unless it can be used as an anesthetic!"
asciilifeform: al doesn't, as i understand, agree. he wants it to keep walking from there
mircea_popescu: i never heard of this bizarro shamanistic approach to research.
gabriel_laddel: As far as I can tell, it comes down to the basic strategic necessity of killing your enemy when you indend to.
asciilifeform: everyone i ever showed it to
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: I thought you know storks and stuff...
gabriel_laddel: lemme finish making this burrito and I'll write up something on the game being played
mircea_popescu: i confess i did not. why would it matter ?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: how would i learn to play footsie if not via a wikihow article?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i confess, i almost decided to
mircea_popescu: suppose i go make the measurement myself ?
asciilifeform: as i gather, he's engaged in a contest of who-dies-first with adelberger
gabriel_laddel: he isn't giving up, as far as I know, but biding his time
mircea_popescu: i hope you're changing the world, schmuckos!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dun follow this logic.
asciilifeform: anyone who wants to know what was going through his head - write to him! i don't relish playing 'broken telephone'
mircea_popescu: i don't get it. he didn't want the experiment made in the end ?
mircea_popescu: re alexa : last time i measured their accuracy, it came out to about 96% error rating. ie, if alexa reads 100, it can see anything between 4 and 2500.
asciilifeform: i actually worked with a number of folks at the time who were ready to wangle access to the instruments for me.
mircea_popescu: and ironically, it's the environment i grew up in.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: al ended up having to explain to me... well, the concept i outlined in the first thread re: this subject here in #b-a
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i devised a test costing approximately 50k usd.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nonsense. the middle east always was enternally-warring. this is like husband stuck with a bad divorce, "at least i made her into a slut"
gabriel_laddel hand-cranked systematization is exactly what I had in mind
gabriel_laddel: well, I've not looked at cyc yet, but thanks for the pointer.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: this is exactly what I was thinking of
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: if you're thinking of a human-cranked systematization project, straight to doug lenat's 'cyc' (i'll spoil it for you: it was stillborn)
gabriel_laddel: I'm not going to claim to know that the math works out unless I do it myself though
gabriel_laddel: (for the record, I've not run the numbers on Schwartz's experiment yet, don't know for sure yet that it is valid, but can say that yes, everything he says is falsifiable and yes, everyone who say "he is a crank" etc. is a lying scumbag for not pointing out the exact sentence where he missteps. EG: http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/7757/weak-equivalence-principle-tests in which a "string theorist" knowingly
asciilifeform: (i did work through a good chunk of the maths behind al's eötvös adventures, for own edification and to attempt to come up with a way to rescue him - to learn how that went, see old thread)
asciilifeform: though i have not tried it personally, nor do i know enough about roaches to say if there are nuances not accounted for
asciilifeform: (i have no reason not to believe him)
cazalla: anyone know if i'm missing any from the list? http://i.imgur.com/CFu2wJZ.png just using alexa as one metric, will find others for use in comparison each month going
assbot: Logged on 26-02-2015 21:54:23; asciilifeform: with regards to 0.5.3, i was expecting to see some technical discussion re: total rework of the blockchain sync mechanism and its idiocies, but this didn't happen
mod6: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2015#1034915 << we still need to have this talk, indeed. I haven't forgotten :] ☝︎
ben_vulpes: "failed to live...and impose their existence upon those children" << i'm a bit confused about the "give up, make way for the next generation" attitude when put next to the "parents should impose their existence upon their children".
decimation: asciilifeform: not having an intelligence agency of my own, i regard it as an open question just how usg might behave should it ever begin to lose < My prediction is 'descent into regional civil war'
decimation: asciilifeform: another colleague of mine is shipping his back as we speak - kernel panics every 20min or so << I'm convinced that the 'gpu issue' happens on even more recent macbooks
assbot: How I was wrong : Cuckolding, or a story about sigmas pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYPfmE )
gabriel_laddel: http://trilema.com/2014/how-i-was-wrong-cuckolding-or-a-story-about-sigmas/
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel no i got that.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2015#1036608 << fwiw, the merging of those two ideas yields a pretty powerful metaphor. i've been considering it since you mentioned it first, earlier. ☝︎
gabriel_laddel: btw, I was using the word "mooc" the other day, and I think you read it as "mook". I meant "MOOC" as in "massively open online course"
decimation: point of interest - on youtube one can easily obtain copies of the vienna philharmonic new year's concert (neujahrskonzert). it's clear that it is broadcast all over europe, yet I have never heard of it being broadcast in the us
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2015 01:05:16; gabriel_laddel: Only a crisis - actual or perceived - produces real change. when that crisis occurs, the actions that are taken depend on the ideas that are lying around. that I belive is our basic function: to develop altenatives to existing policies, to keep them alive and available until the politically impossible becomes politically inevitable.
gabriel_laddel: I've nothing else to say. Your grasshopper article coupled with the rabbits exposition covers it all. Don't try and make things into that which they are not. And if you have a kid, care for /them as an individual/. Your life is over. Make way for the next generation.
gabriel_laddel: I might as well explicate my thoughts on the matter, perhaps I'll learn something from someone else who has thought about it.
mircea_popescu: the situation where i never had children yet understand more of parenting than all these people with children depending on them is about as alarming as the situation where i'd not be a woman but know more about fucking than all women. what a shitworld!
mircea_popescu: now where's that trrilema article i want to reference. the one pointing out this entire vc thing is old guys dating.
mircea_popescu pictures asciilifeform in bed with a woman he picked up earlier in metro. she goes "oh honey, that was SO FUCKING GREAT!" he goes "or maybe i wasn't even in!"
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: i'm not certain that he's a fuckwit; could also be scum that knows precisely what he's doing