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mircea_popescu: heh. kinda like how
the usg maintains
the pretense of "value" of
the usd
too huh
mircea_popescu: (of course, like darwinism,
there's a large mass of religious "critics" of
the notion)
mircea_popescu: this has been so amply proven by
the crypto exercise as
to compete with darwinism.
mircea_popescu: and
that
time man walked into goat herd, picked fattest kid, slit his
throat and splashed everyone in blood was you know "never proven
to have happened" hurr durr.
mircea_popescu: anyway. goat finds it very easy
to not
think about
the gun in
the drawer in
the house it's not allowed
to go into. and so comes
to conclusion man is ~goat.
mircea_popescu: in fact,
the difference between power rangers and "ethereum developers" is entirely nil, which is why
the "ethereum community" is flattering itself into relevancy :
they compare
themselves
to
the power rangers, and come
to
the conclusion
that "similar kind, dispute
to be resolved by headcount".
mircea_popescu is not entirely convinced
the ~implementation~ of segwit as executed by
the power rangers will even work. because
that's what
they do, it woul;dn't be
the first
time. or
the second. it'd be like
the 5th
time, which is how many soft forks
they did.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i deliberately didn't want
to make any assumptions. "black box" if you prefer.
mircea_popescu: if it's say 24 blocks, it's POSSIBLE someone undoes your
tx, but not likely (needs 24 block lead
to unroll
the chain)
mircea_popescu: now at
this
time
t3, you judge
the quality of
the input as always : block delta between
t2 and
t3.
mircea_popescu: at
time
t3 you receive a payment from 1b, of
that self-same coin chunk.
mircea_popescu: at
time
t2, SOMEHOW (im not even sure
this is possible), someone in black hole sends coin chunk back
to address 1b.
mircea_popescu: at
time
t1, via
tx2, address 1a spends coin chunk on segwit chain.
this appears
to you and me as "1a sent coins
to black hole"
mircea_popescu: yeah but if it meanwhile got anchored in a proper
tx it's good.
mircea_popescu: um. how would
trb see
the
tx anyway ? it dun interpret segwit
mircea_popescu: people who write checks instead of paying cash don't automatically expect
their mom note be accepted by merchants. why would
these ?
mircea_popescu: and let power rangers add
the warnings, "our altcoin isn't universally accepted, always make sure and ask"
mircea_popescu: entropy poor machine is definitionally not supposed
to rsa
mircea_popescu: that's his point, if you have
the rng it's much better quality secret primes for
the same effort.
PeterL: so I
thought I would run a little experiment
to check
PeterL: So I was
thinking about how asciilifeform suggested generating new random numbers until you hit a prime instead of incrementing a single random number
to find
the next prime, and my initial guess would
that generating new numbers would
take a lot longer
runsegshet: Ledger uses a chrome extension for
the wallet... which
to me seems really sketchy
a111: Logged on 2017-08-24 14:57 mircea_popescu: diana_coman yeah
there's also no "catching up with
the chain", one can
turn eulora off for five years,
turn it back on (maybe have
to get a new client,
till we freeze
that down) and be ready
to go. but
then again
the cost of having
to check
the blockchain isn't
THAT
terrible, we bring up back new nodes all
the
time.
diana_coman:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-24#1702832 <- aha;
trouble is
that people are scared of
the "cost" and like any scare it is way bigger
than
the actual real
thing; as previously mentioned I really don't see
this "I can hold bitcoin without knowing /getting dirty with it"
thing
☝︎ mircea_popescu: but in general, people make
them shitty because
they're inept and in a hurry.
mircea_popescu: i don't
think anyone cut apart one such ledger nano, so dunno
runsegshet: What about hardware wallets like Ledger nano? Are
those secure enough
to hold
TRB safe?
mircea_popescu: linux isn't much better, practically. but
there's a difference in kind, you could in principle have a secure linux machine, even if most people don't bother
to. whereas
the secure windows machine is a myth, like
the happy feminist.
mircea_popescu: understand --
there is NO safe way
to operate bitcoin in windows.
runsegshet: TRB how
to isn't
truly noob proof. I have never even used Linux. I'm not qualified
to run a
TRB node it seems. I'm just a user who wants my BTC
to remain mine
☟︎ mircea_popescu: diana_coman yeah
there's also no "catching up with
the chain", one can
turn eulora off for five years,
turn it back on (maybe have
to get a new client,
till we freeze
that down) and be ready
to go. but
then again
the cost of having
to check
the blockchain isn't
THAT
terrible, we bring up back new nodes all
the
time.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm not sure what's easier, eulora install or
trb install.
they're very similar processes for some reason (har har)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aren't you doing
too many
things at once ?
mircea_popescu: take
the item
this line is written on -- it doesn't fucking need dram. in fact, it could be a 386.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-24 14:27 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-24#1702770 <<
the only advantage eulora has is
the low friction,
there's no cost
to
transfer ecu from one player
to another. it costs about 5 bux
to move btc on
the bitcoin chain. if your holdings are small enough,
this matters.
mircea_popescu: there's a lot of "smart shit we don't bother
to mention because everyone knows" sorta
thing.
this is also how/why
the inept noobs
that get silenced do : not worth
talkingt
to.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 so fucking epic you got
that ready so we can just link noobs. good work man. <<
thanks! no problem.
runsegshet: thanks for
the replies, will be interesting
to see what happens next
a111: Logged on 2017-08-24 13:38 diana_coman: well, some might of course, but it's again a matter of...hoping
they will, sort of
thign
mircea_popescu: lol right.
they show it
to you on
THEIR facebook page, please follow
them
diana_coman: no, no, just
the image of
the cardboard; now on your mobile/ipad
too!
mircea_popescu: basically a very drastic reduction in quality of life, fit for a socialist empire. something on
the level of "hey mr, you have
this contract
to have
two cartons of milk delivered each mon, wed, fri and sun. how about we deliver JUST
THE CARDBOARD, empty ? it will be 5% cheaper and you can have
them every day instead!"
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, hashes are by definition unreversable, and
they no longer propagate
transactions. so i wouldn't know your
transaction from adams' or "your" pile of nonsense from another's.
mircea_popescu: this works in
the sense
that whoever has
the hash AND
the
transaction
that was hashed can prove
that indeed
that
transaction was hashed (it's how
http://deedbot.org/ works
to notarize documents for instance).
mircea_popescu: their idea is
to INSTEAD just store 16 bytes worth of
that
transaction's HASH.
mircea_popescu: ie right now, if i want
to spend from 1address
to 1youraddress i end up composing a
transaction
that gets mined (emplaced in a block). it's about 250 bytes worth of 1address signs
transaction x where it got coin, and hash of 1youyraddress etc.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-24 13:12 runsegshet: Also is core hard forked from
TRB? How would one be able
to mine
TRB instead?
a111: Logged on 2017-08-24 13:03 runsegshet: I can't just send
to paper wallets and be safe?
a111: Logged on 2017-08-24 13:00 runsegshet: I'd be
trading digital gold for what appears
to be electronic copper in a video game
mircea_popescu: mod6 so fucking epic you got
that ready so we can just link noobs. good work man.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-24 12:42 runsegshet: I want
to
take action
to safe keep my bitcoin, but dont know
technicals
to not be segwit
tokens
mircea_popescu: just don't accept "segwit" payments, and don't use
their scamware, you'll be fine.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-24 12:42 runsegshet: miners going
to spend
to
themselves and steal segshit coins?
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-24#1702759 << eventually
this will necessarily happen, yes. "segwit"
transactions are stored on
the bitcoin network as "anyone can spend", so eventually miners will unroll
the segwit chain. how soon is not easily predicted (which is why
the idea is stupid/usg-like, introduces impredictability in
the currency)
☝︎☟︎ diana_coman: well, some might of course, but it's again a matter of...hoping
they will, sort of
thign
☟︎ diana_coman: and while you are still around: register a key here because otherwise nobody will spend more
time with some random nick
that can't be in any way assigned
to any sort of "you" at all
diana_coman: runsegshet, read and ask more specific questions if any; in other words: learn;
there's no way anybody else will simply do
the work *for* you - if
they do it, it will be for
them and so you can at most...hope; poor path
that one, even if very crowded indeed; if you want
to hold bitcoins, you need
to figure out
the "technical" details
too, no other way around it
runsegshet: sorry for not having much
technical knowledge
runsegshet: Also is core hard forked from
TRB? How would one be able
to mine
TRB instead?
☟︎ runsegshet: I can't just send
to paper wallets and be safe?
☟︎