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asciilifeform: i am quite certain that every possible thing will be tried.

asciilifeform: (make of this what you will)

asciilifeform: it is quite likely undecidable.

asciilifeform: jurov: forget about usefully parsing cpp.

asciilifeform: as described by naggum, http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3144404199547949@naggum.no.html ☟︎

asciilifeform: they build bulldozer, drive right through the oaks.

asciilifeform: if only it were so simple. do you notice what most programming types do when they run into a forest ?

asciilifeform: it needs to come out of the 'resistance of the medium' from the sort of thing we find ourselves doing with regularity.

asciilifeform: anyway if i already knew what this needs to look like, i'd have already written it.

asciilifeform: hey vdiff is in awk.

asciilifeform: no proper arrays even.

asciilifeform: no lambda.

asciilifeform: e.g., not homoiconic

asciilifeform: plenty.

asciilifeform: enough with the arbitrary nonorthogonal craplangs.

asciilifeform: phf: specifically not awk and nothing like awk.

asciilifeform: i suppose, like every other time before, i am doomed to demonstrate ~by example~...

asciilifeform: all i ask for is that vtron be able to specify arbitrary transformations, e.g., 'replace every letter a with b', rather than the +++/--- imbecility.

asciilifeform: how?

asciilifeform: it means what everybody's kindergarten textbook had it mean!11

asciilifeform: hm?

asciilifeform: aha.

asciilifeform: l0l this one's for BingoBoingo

asciilifeform: but ask him, not me.

asciilifeform: these, i think, are meant to be debug hooks

asciilifeform: ah

asciilifeform: there is a demo, which was supplied with the original patch, that gets block count, and another knob that quits.

asciilifeform: there are no useful hooks yet.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: much more generally, and much later - as potential replacement for entire chunks of the rotten flesh.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: more generally, and later, as an internal debugger.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: multifold point. most realistically, and in the short term, to abolish the json rpc crapolade.

asciilifeform: and i am all for the fella figuring things out, so long as he understands this, and the ~why~.

asciilifeform: while being nominally a shiva patch.

asciilifeform: *pulls

asciilifeform: well it pull in the direction precisely opposite to shiva.

asciilifeform: don't need to. but see the thing in question, imho it is more or less the perfect example of what not to do.

asciilifeform: will see why.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: read his thing, mega-recommended.

asciilifeform: incidentally, tried slib ?

asciilifeform: aha.

asciilifeform: phf: only the first time. it then turns into a steel beam you can use to build proper towers.

asciilifeform: ^ apparently the whole thing. 1 page.

asciilifeform: unrelatedly, http://www.applelogic.org/files/6502SCHEMATIC.pdf

asciilifeform: quite.

asciilifeform: this is where i repeat mircea_popescu's admonition not to eat from dumpsters.

asciilifeform: what even is that

asciilifeform: or where, found on the street ?

asciilifeform: i thought you built it ?

asciilifeform: waiwut

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes's turn.

asciilifeform: pretty much everything we have, we have because someone ran the motherfucking gnomes to ground, each time.

asciilifeform: and other evils

asciilifeform: it is how we discovered the libnss thing

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: any such perversion is ~always~ worth running to ground

asciilifeform: but wtf is 'pie'

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: hm, ought to work

asciilifeform: 4.9 is already broken for some cases

asciilifeform: and try again.

asciilifeform: KILL IT WITH FIRE

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: lemme guess: gcc 5

asciilifeform: which gcc refuses to disgorge

asciilifeform: phf: i have long wanted to get this working, so i can haz call graph

asciilifeform: phf: this is not useless, you can do the thing with the call graph even

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: fwiw it builds on 'centos', ubiquitous

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: post moar detail ?

asciilifeform: phf: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-02-2016#1412300 << as stated in the comments, i regard this as a serious loose end that must be tied before anyone can even contemplate using a shivatronic trb in the battlefield ☝︎

asciilifeform: i have nfi

asciilifeform: phf: possibly it ought to die before the db is opened.

asciilifeform: jurov: look in the portage cache, possibly. but you might have to diff with previous.

asciilifeform: ah this is CORRECT phf.

asciilifeform: phf: and this is the correct behaviour (IF SHIVA IS ENABLED), just needs to happen cleanly and humanely. does it ?

asciilifeform: phf: kills how ?

asciilifeform: but ~which patch~

asciilifeform: well yes

asciilifeform: which patch ?

asciilifeform: aaaaah

asciilifeform: or did you... update the box.

asciilifeform: as in, cosmic ray ?