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a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 21:59 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707765 << i'd be surprised if 1 in 10 people here watch any given video. prolly goes
to 1 in 2 or 3 re pics, and is 1 in 1.x or even 1.0x re
text. so bear
that in mind.
phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707865 << i've actually watched
the whole video, and commented on it in logs. i'd like
to point out
that ~before~ watching
the video i was making plans
to fly
to SF in short
time
to buy a masamune machine
☝︎ shinohai: The
thing with cuntoo is, it *does* exist in
the sense
that more folx use it as it exists now
than
they do other non-OS's
a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 21:15 gabriel_laddel_p:
trinque: apologies. I
think
this is mostly just
that
the path forwards is clear
to me, and
that e.g., you people see a masamune video & ask zero questions I'm mostly left wondering why you even bother pretending you want a lispm
a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 21:12 gabriel_laddel_p:
trinque: if all
this is so easy, where is
the frozen
tsmr gentoo
that can do what I described above?
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-31#1707760 <<
this is precisely why it doesn't exist : cuz people dun
think it's a big deal per se, and so can't be bothered
to do
that before
they actually build a disk device full of something
they'd actually want replicated. which cuntoo isn't at yet. maybe just on
the cusp, i guess.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 21:10 gabriel_laddel_p:
trinque: it isn't "duplicating
the contents of a block device", but rather having
that USB able
to build itself onto another machine
that can in
turn generate replication USBs
that is
the problem
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated gabriel_laddel_p -1 at 2017/01/30 17:00:14 <<
turns out
the appeal was mostly
to bang
the head.
mircea_popescu: (do i have
the right deGRasse account fossVERIFIED btw ? fat blondy ? or am i confusing ghosts.)
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel_p you probably made
that point by
telling some
tanja lange she's fat, in what's becoming signature style.
gabriel_laddel_p: for
the record, my "unacceptable behavior" was stating outright
that windows has no place near
the codebase. nor osx.
mircea_popescu: while im not proposing
to ~necessarily~ encourage misbehaviours in soldiers, a poorly disciplined
troop is
the responsibility of
the commanding officer and no one else. so no, i dun
think much of
the quality of authority over
there in
this context.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 19:56 jackdaniel: regarding gl, he behaved socially unacceptable on
the channel and
tracker what was a burden because it introduced many childish plays
phf: gabriel_laddel_p: it was a form of speech, but it didn't go anywhere with you. i'm saying it's not a lisp machine, because i have a lisp machine on an fpga right here, ron garret saw a demo and
thinks it's a lisp machine. he's sold, i'm not, so it stands.
☟︎ gabriel_laddel_p: at which point I was sort of curious what
the fuck he did all day at google anyways
gabriel_laddel_p: he
thought 100k loc in one language vs. ~30 million in 20 languages wasn't a big deal.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel_p from
their own lists it says it wasn't claimed or something.
gabriel_laddel_p: he saw, with his own eyes
the line count for CLIM, and had worked with
the browser for several years. we looked at
the loc count for chrome & compared.
gabriel_laddel_p: incidentally, I remembered exactly where
the demo
to google earth guy went off
the rails after logging off last night.
gabriel_laddel_p: we are going
to be getting dinner at some point is my understanding
to work out details.
phf: gabriel_laddel_p: you're moving
targets
though. if you're building a
tmsr linux nobody's going
to fault you, but if you're going
to approach a bunch of lisp heads with a half assed sbcl environment on a unix machine and
tell
them it's a "lisp machine", expect nothing but contempt
trinque: asciilifeform: I've lost interest in
this
thread, all yours.
gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: or do you disagree with his judgement
that such a
thing is necessary?
gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: do you need me
to find log references for when he has asked
this, or do you remember offhand?
gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: anywyays,
this seems obvious
to me. MP has been asking for a
tsmr linux for years. if you all have had it floating around FUCKING RELEASE.
gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: I'm
telling you it is going
to play out like
that, and not in another way.
trinque: how do you bridge
the gap between your hyperbolic statements about
the future of computing and what you just said?
gabriel_laddel_p: now, I am 100% with ascii
that floats have
to die. no question. I, however, am severely undereducated & don't know what
to replace
them with.
☟︎ gabriel_laddel_p: for example, are you familiar with
the book "the end of error"?
gabriel_laddel_p: there are however, a number of issues, such as a how
to get rid of floats & what
to replace
them with
that can be safely engineered on
the unix-not-even-lispm
gabriel_laddel_p: it is unclear at
this point what
the hardware, real lispm implementation is going
to look like & I have months of logs
to catch up before I begin
to even comment on
this
gabriel_laddel_p: specifically, when I say "meet in
the middle", a fixed CLIM will run just fine on new
tsmr hardware reverse engineered fpga lispm with a minimum amount of fuss
gabriel_laddel_p: an entire, sane lispm-like (which yes, ascii disagrees with) unix can be had, and
then
this can meet
the hardware implementation "in
the middle"
gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: because lisp/s-expressions/incremental compilation means
that you don't have
to make decisions about everything right away.
trinque: understand
that
the kernel defines
the ways in which userland shall interact with it, and
thus shapes userland?
gabriel_laddel_p: this is essentially what masamune is, admittedly in a ragged & impoverished form, right now,
today.
gabriel_laddel_p: this means
that all of
the Unix
tooling can essentially be dumped in favor of lisp + CLIM.
gabriel_laddel_p: all existing CLIM implementations have problems. it is an annoying, irritating, but utterly straightforwards process
to fix any of
the extant CLIM implementations
gabriel_laddel_p: first concrete step
towards sane computing is a
tsmr gentoo
that is A) self contained B) infectious / replicates as described above C) uses CLIM for all graphics.
trinque: you do not have a declarative relationship with
the future
a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 21:16 gabriel_laddel_p: I rather have
the same reaction
to
the old symbolics people in
the area who have now seen masamune after sinking you know, a decade of
their lives or so into lispm &
then don't buy
gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: let's put it
this way irrespective of anything any of you say, I say
the future is going
to look like
this:
trinque: yes, dumb fucking kid, still. and a drug-addled wreck
to boot.
trinque: gabriel_laddel_p: right
there, you presume
to
tell asciilifeform whether he "gets a pass"
trinque: didn't I propose you change
tactics a while back?
gabriel_laddel_p: but you know, invite me
to stuff & call me "the lisp machine kid" + insist on my showing it off
to
their idiot friends
gabriel_laddel_p: I rather have
the same reaction
to
the old symbolics people in
the area who have now seen masamune after sinking you know, a decade of
their lives or so into lispm &
then don't buy
☟︎ gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: apologies. I
think
this is mostly just
that
the path forwards is clear
to me, and
that e.g., you people see a masamune video & ask zero questions I'm mostly left wondering why you even bother pretending you want a lispm
☟︎ trinque: yeah, you get defensive
too quickly.
gabriel_laddel_p: I can't quite put my finger on it, but I
think we're
talking past one another here & have been for some
time.
gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: if all
this is so easy, where is
the frozen
tsmr gentoo
that can do what I described above?
☟︎ trinque: at any rate, neat, but
the hyperbole is not doing you any favors.
gabriel_laddel_p: maybe I overcomplicated
things,but wrote in
terms of CPIO format
then fed into linux kernel from syslinux.
gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: it isn't "duplicating
the contents of a block device", but rather having
that USB able
to build itself onto another machine
that can in
turn generate replication USBs
that is
the problem
☟︎ trinque: I used
to work on a
thing
that'd multicast images out. say 500 servers pxeboot, slurp image, reboot, post-deploy script runs, and your DC is up
trinque: duplicating
the contents of a block device is
trivial.
gabriel_laddel_p: (single function call generates a USB
that boots into a CLIM environment, no version changes, ever)
gabriel_laddel_p: trinque: first I had
to nail down masamune replication. which I actually managed
to do
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: imho can be cut down
to an easy 30k loc
that will be faster, conceptually "closed"
gabriel_laddel_p: incomplete, yes, but
there are some fundamental
things in CLIM
that need
to be fixed, such as
the notion of a parallel
type heigharchy for presentations.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 21:01 gabriel_laddel_p:
turns out it
takes usg/fiat _three months_
to process fucking 200 usd. was eventually paid. never mentioned it bc wtf, 200 use?
gabriel_laddel_p: anyways,
there is a lot more
to address in
the above log, but I did get
the largest McCLIM backers
to date
to stop funding
the effort. One of
them bought a masamune.
gabriel_laddel_p: turns out it
takes usg/fiat _three months_
to process fucking 200 usd. was eventually paid. never mentioned it bc wtf, 200 use?
☟︎ gabriel_laddel_p: mircea_popescu: CLIM & ether have nothing
to do with one another. you are remembering
that I A) completed a bounty and
then B) was not paid
gabriel_laddel_p: Separately I also defunded you
to an extent, for
the simple reason
that you have no vision, nor communication ability, nor coding ability, period.
gabriel_laddel_p: It seems rather strange
to me
that you’re assigning bounties
to “bugs” when it is clear
that in many cases you have read neither
the spec, nor
the code, nor have
the slightest idea what is even WRONG in
the proposed bug.
phf: i claim
that my already abysmal spelling has degraded because i'm in slavland
mircea_popescu thinks he's had entirely
too much fun
this morning ; will bbl.
phf: (but
then so is franz's clim2, 150k or so, which i spent significant
time with,
trying
to make heads or
tales of its hairy object manipulation code, and
that "9 incher" bit is apropos)
mircea_popescu: but
then again, my "imo" is
the producer's "imo", "imo you should be able
to
take
that 9 incher up your ass, i've seen plenty of girls do it before." "that exact one ?" "well no" "up
this exact ass ?" "well, you're new." "SO
THEN!" "face down ass up already,
time's money."
mircea_popescu: that's not even
terribru. imo within "with-own-hands"
territory, especially if
there's readily ablatable low hanging fruit.
phf: it's actually pretty small. 150k or so if you don't count
the dependencies. i believe
that
the mcclim
team has pulled a bunch of builtin compatability layers and replaced
them with portable "community" versions i.e. closer-mop instead of builtin mop facility (metaobject protocol for dealing with CLOS classes), etc.
mircea_popescu: your notion
that you can be a person outside of
the wot is you know, exactly like cumdumpster bimbo's notion anyone notices, cares, or recalls.
mircea_popescu: that's also by definition. we actually don't attach identity
to ghosts, liberally confuse
them with each other,
treat
them as "a different" ghost whatever.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 17:47 fyr: How many
times has any ~ghost~ on
this channel actually been impersonated? I guess like if every conversation starts with "get a key already" ghosts just don't exist for long
a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 17:43 fyr: I have like less
than one lying around on coinbase for use in buying alpaca socks, not like in any serious capacity