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danielpbarron: "I love ass channel. Ditto." << the deeded message btw
trinque: holy fuck I step away for a minute :D
mircea_popescu: if an underlying comes to me with "here's the problem, what should we do", i fire him.
mircea_popescu: at my day job, i am a manager. it's what i do. or used to, b. b., but w/e.
asciilifeform: square rooting, though, i can entirely see
asciilifeform: (i can guess)
mircea_popescu: how the fuck should i know, and what difference does it make you don't.
assbot: Logged on 28-01-2015 00:52:58; asciilifeform: and am i the only one who actually checks sigs
asciilifeform: to put it from own perspective, i'm not sure what serenissima wins from me spending most of every day working with winblows virii
mircea_popescu: fortunately, i am not in a position to make this call. for which i am thankful.
asciilifeform: i don't see the inevitable dichotomy between 'world flooded with shit' and 'arbeit macht frei'
felipelalli: danielpbarron: my company key. I'm sorry!
asciilifeform: i'll explain what was meant. generally i'm in favour of less arbeit macht frei for everyone.
mircea_popescu: so, this given : i dun care who dun like it, i'd rather have silence than the motherfucking deluge of shit
mircea_popescu: i am not going to be swayed by examples, for the following reason : of course you're going to lose something.
mircea_popescu: "i live in a shit country, borrowing directly from bezzle is way better than going through local banks"
assbot: Logged on 22-03-2015 01:06:05; felipelalli: Itaú normal interest rate: 7% PER MONTH. My interest rate in Itaú (because I am an old client): 4.8%. BTCJam: 2.8%. It makes a huge difference when you calculate the compound interest per year.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-03-2015#1063202 << check it out, Pierre_Rochard gets the cookie for having asked the right question. i finally understand what felipelalli's usecase actually was. ☝︎
asciilifeform: but going back in archives, i am perpetually astonished at what was accomplished by men who never saw not only computer but plastic bag.
asciilifeform: i'll let PeterL settle this one when he returns
assbot: Logged on 22-03-2015 00:14:17; felipelalli: thestringpuller: but "the repayment rate" does not depends (also) on the investor? He can choose the investments he wants to make. I was being lucky, or I made good choices.
mircea_popescu: your statement was, and i quote, ' we're still cribbing off their tech notebook and can never hope to match'
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2015 23:41:48; pete_dushenski: i really don't know any other german speakers with whom to converse
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2015 23:31:32; pete_dushenski: i'm generally curious about the merits of their decade and change of research
felipelalli: now I'll try to publish a signed document.
felipelalli: well, I'm just following wrong instructions! ;) ahhah
felipelalli: ah, I got it.
mircea_popescu: for the reason i stated!
felipelalli: ben_vulpes: I hope so.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2015#1063130 << fwiw, i believe this "generative years" is bullshit. it only makes sense in ossified society, because older guys have stupid shit to waste their tiem with. otherwise, in catastrophic situation, age does not matter. how old was Aeneas ? ☝︎
ben_vulpes: no, i'm talking that which your lord and sovereign demands of you.
felipelalli: I also tried http://dpaste.com/3EAX9QH.txt
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ah, i was thinking of the other taxation, where goons come and lift a penny out of every 3 i make
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: taxation /i/ speak of is deedbot, nsa, phundation
mircea_popescu: felipelalli do it in here so i can see wtf ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: now i recall, there was a thread where one of you asked the other for a smoke in-channel
felipelalli: I tried the raw first, I'll try the other
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: yeah, the thread kicked off at "<ben_vulpes> trinque's doing a major launch this week, i think we'll be lucky to get much of a peep out of him at all"
asciilifeform: i mean, ben_vulpes and trinque live a few blocks .. ?
ben_vulpes: he has his thing, and i mine.
ben_vulpes: taxation you, i trinque pay to la serenissima is rather small
ben_vulpes: trinque's doing a major launch this week, i think we'll be lucky to get much of a peep out of him at all
felipelalli: mircea_popescu: thank you! I'll try dpaste.com
ben_vulpes: i'm just pointing out that pastebin's not allowed in these parts.
felipelalli: I also tried to paste my key there and I was disconnected due to "flood"
ben_vulpes: well i've no idea how trinque's configured deedbot-, that's not my problem.
felipelalli: why deedbot- is rejecting my key? I sent http://pastebin.com/R0cK3111 and it says: "Bad URL or network outage." I also tried http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=R0cK3111 with the same effect
ben_vulpes: decimation: "schmoes" << that they have anything to invest in the first place is due to the american democracy/communism thing, from there we quickly hit the "one day bitcoin will make us all royals, and when can i lop the peasants heads off again?" checkpoint
asciilifeform: the 'day job' thing is more complicated than looks on the surface. a medieval serf, for instance, served for a much smaller fraction of his waking time than i or ben_vulpes do
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> three vultures lost in the east. << i do not get this reference.
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2015 23:19:31; decimation: I doubt 99% of folks inside google even know/care
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: collect the most desirable children from outside : teenaged women with big tits << building harem then, not mathematical monastery, i take it.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i wasn't suggesting it as a practical recipe. more of an overall reagent.
ben_vulpes: yes, i recall.
mircea_popescu: took a while, but i suspect more due to slow comms at the time.
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2015 23:10:54; asciilifeform: since mircea_popescu is out, i will fill in for him and observe that library of alexandria burning is no loss, when cockroaches evolve and replace man they will rediscover everything.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2015#1063080 << i honestly don't give a shit about those 1000tb. for very similar reasons as ^ ☝︎
felipelalli: ben_vulpes: I can't agree more.
cazalla: ben_vulpes, yeah, summed it up better than how i explained it
felipelalli: danielpbarron: no, I'm sorry.
cazalla: felipelalli, also i don't place much faith in how they identify people, a driver's licence, electricity bill.. worth just as much as newly created wot identity with no feedback.. plus the sort of person who needs to borrow $500 is the sort of person who would lift things such as a drivers licence from parents/friends/partners wallet anyway
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2015 23:04:58; trinque: asciilifeform: I have long wanted a system where member nodes can all publish wads 'o gpg stuff, peers don't know the contents of the wad, give each-other redundancy
mircea_popescu: but i can envisage the day when a) all science is published via b-a, and to read... get in wot
danielpbarron: in comments for that disney nazi thing: "Who im german and I dont like this we are nice and hittler whs the only bad german"
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2015 22:40:21; asciilifeform: most of the time when i go to that library it isn't even for a specific rational purpose
ben_vulpes: one of the reasons i'm not targeting macos for RI builds.
mircea_popescu: i briefly considered adding an apple apps thing for s.mg
cazalla: felipelalli, if you only use it to borrow, i don't really see the problem with you using it, but i'd never lend
cazalla: felipelalli: I ran to qntra.net to read something about that and for my surprise I didn't find anything. But now I understand why. Not fully yet, but I can at least understand your point of view. <<< fwiw i would never lend bitcoin to people on btcjam regardless of their ability to pay back, i'd never use the site to borrow either, so i guess it's not so difficult to see why i would not write a story on it either
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2015 21:59:40; nubbins`: *i* won't buy it, but since when does the market cater to rational actors?
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2015 21:47:01; decimation: the developer in question had already made a deal with apple to publish the app apparently. I couldn't even compile my own version unsigned for my own personal use
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: "but muh jerb" << when you open a metal shop in #b-a, perhaps i can go and work sweeping floor there.
ben_vulpes: i *would* leave if i *could*
PeterL: this is the best country evar, why would I leave?
mircea_popescu: i have no experience with men.
mircea_popescu: sadly i don't have the patience or the tools to actually get into the microchemistry of it
mircea_popescu: i think it was either a protein or fat that was needed for god knows what. because phase passed.
PeterL: I'm guessing colorful vegtables help?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i dunno dood. milk's a big thing. various fats, various vegetals.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i honestly think it's exactly accurate.
asciilifeform: and i forget who suggested it to me
ben_vulpes: i'm unfamiliar with this hypothesis
mircea_popescu: i know a girl that makes soaps and stuff. she wouldn't touch the coarse stuff.
PeterL: maybe I could run that? pretty simple chemical reaction, really
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i was thinking about a hypothetical larger world where there are many worthwhile things
ben_vulpes: in practice, i'm unaware of anyone offering to manage btc between MPOE/BBET/NSA/BTC for a fee.
ben_vulpes: am i misusing these terms?
asciilifeform: PeterL: where most of the things i take an interest in actually happened.
PeterL: I was thinking like Jurov, yes
felipelalli: I am not saying the trust should be automatic or fast. But the funding process.
felipelalli: danielpbarron: I'm trying to convince some of them to use OTC system at least.
felipelalli: And it makes more impersonal and passive. Instead to make a spam asking for money to your family and friends (active and personal), you can just publish the list (passive and impersonal) and anyone can invest if they want, or just ignore. Like 5 people I know personally invest their first 30% and the rest was "friends of friends". It just worked to me because I had a good "outside WoT".
felipelalli: But I could easily be found there. And I have personal friends there, that I know it is a secure investment. That's why I only had profit, very few lost.
felipelalli: So, this: http://blog.btcjam.com/2015/03/19/btcjam-introduces-risk-based-pricing-interest-rates-set-automatically-by-credit-score/ makes me "cry". I ran to qntra.net to read something about that and for my surprise I didn't find anything. But now I understand why. Not fully yet, but I can at least understand your point of view.
felipelalli: They could invest on me there. I was a very secure investment, e.g.
felipelalli: ben_vulpes: I thought it was a global problem, but I learned here that: 1) there are rich guys (you guys) that really don't care about it. 2) there are guys with rich friends :) 3) your interest rate are ridiculous cheap. BTCJam really don't solve anything to you.
Pierre_Rochard: Pierre_Rochard: I think the worst credit cards run for 2% per month, 30 yr fixed rate mortgage with good credit will cost you 0.33% per month
felipelalli: PeterL: what is the rate per month you can get where you live? I heard it is much less than here.
felipelalli: I had never thought that they did not deserve even taken seriously, but it seems to make sense.
felipelalli: I'm sure I could set 2% rate or less and my list would be fund, because my reputation in Brazilian bitcoin community is very good. But now I have no choice rather than get 3.5% calculated like magic by them. That's why I was disgusted. I would write an article about that, but after talking with you guys in this channel I was unmotivated.