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mircea_popescu: and besides, with a settable hash like mpfhf you can use different size hashes all the time.
asciilifeform: ( old thread )
mircea_popescu: just spur of the moment.
asciilifeform: we already established that a hash collision is asteroid event for blockchain. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: and it's not even the only technique.
trinque: doesn't that successfuly diminish the likelihood of a usable collision?
mircea_popescu: "yes, enemy has alphabet of chunks : he knows how to sign ilif every time it comes after asci and is 2nd in ther chain"
mircea_popescu: i see what you mean, but you've no legs to stand on. suppose each successive block is a successive hash.
mircea_popescu: are you pressing me to say "a hash" ?
asciilifeform: what's the final bit ?
asciilifeform: there is nothing hard-linking the chunks to your particular transmission.
mircea_popescu: because faad is the signature for "0001what " not for "0001otherwhat"
asciilifeform: he takes chunks from diff occasions.
asciilifeform: enemy takes your 0001what someotherdays00002 moraff02930005 .... etc and yer phucked
mircea_popescu: and you know 9 blocks were signed, and they are as such :
asciilifeform: what are the blocks ?
mircea_popescu: let's take as sample text "what means 'more compact construct'".
mircea_popescu: nao you re-arrange by the count.
asciilifeform: and enemy takes fullblock, block1, and block2 and rearranges on the wire and naowat.
mircea_popescu: but there is. blocks.
asciilifeform: there ain't no such thing as fulltext signing if fulltext is bigger than your modulus ( and padding also takes space )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> that's just another hash. << no, tmsr-rsa does fulltext signing.
asciilifeform: trinque: if you worked out a clean answr to this puzzle in your article, i'll enjoy reading
asciilifeform: because 'take this Q, gimme X where H(X)=Q' can resolve to infinitely many X
asciilifeform: you can't treat hashes as 1:1 with your set.
trinque: you asked the indexes of your trusted peers, who asked theirs
asciilifeform: what is it to do if it has 2+ ?
asciilifeform: it takes a hash and gives back a warez ( or opposite )
asciilifeform: point of concern is the indexer -- it has nfi re the signatures or any such detail
trinque: can still sign the material pointed to by the hash, if worried.
asciilifeform: worx great until actually pressed to capacity and then suddenly worx not at all.
asciilifeform: it is a type of fractionalreservebanking.
asciilifeform: trinque: the other thing, if you are going to put entire weight of the known universe on a hash, gotta specify what happens in case of a collision.
trinque: it's a fact there's a log line, and also a fact a phfnode said about it, I saw at time T
trinque: isn't any very good reason why phf's style and ben_vulpes's style are both facts expressed in some datastructure, identified by their respective hashes.
asciilifeform: some mouse bangs against the glass 900 times, others -- 9,000
mircea_popescu: this is very specifically what they mean by "permanent solution to temporary problem" btw. here we are.
mircea_popescu: poor naggum. if he lived he'd have had something to live for,
asciilifeform: as ethertardium is to btc, etc
asciilifeform: htm is to actual hypertext as koch is to rsa.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: in exactly same way and for same reason as the rest of www stack
asciilifeform: ( or to show any relation b/w objects other than how you ~got to it~, which is wholly incidental to the object ! )
asciilifeform: www browser was made by monkeys and is ill-equipped to flip b/w variant views of an object
ben_vulpes: as an aside, it is obnoxious that anchors are not passed in the request
mircea_popescu: much like digital notation of transcendents, be it more convenient, does not un-make their transcendence.
mircea_popescu: it is more ~convenient~ to have the url in phf style, but this convenience does not change the fact that yes, they ARE ben_vulpes style.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-09 23:01 ben_vulpes: in other wwwtronic toyz: http://logs.bvulpes.com/chainstate#1d176a0b-2995-4522-b9bd-b14447c6bec7
mircea_popescu: old style ben_vulpes was an attempt to do exactly this i suspect, we nixed it because too long hashes ; but practical considerations have no theoretical power.
asciilifeform: called the xxxxx 'tumblers'
asciilifeform: tnelson understood this
mircea_popescu: that superficially it appears that http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01 is a top node for a set of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#xxxxxx is just unfortunate ; in reality the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#xxxxxx are the topnodes and http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01 just a particular mask on them.
mircea_popescu: but in fact my quering for http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01 is a double request : "give me all the lines from the log that fit "2017-09-01" mask, ie from http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1707983 to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1709360 or w/e.
mircea_popescu: now, that in practice these APPEAR mixed, is a matter of little theoretical consequence.
mircea_popescu: "give me the list of all lines with string x" are not requests for urls per se, but requests for computation. "please interpret the indirection layer and compose a list of urls as a solution to that".
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1709154 << seems the correct solution is the layer of indirection. you do have actual information, which is immutable, and which can be served as urls ; and you have indexing etcetera, which yes is mutable, but which also best lives as an alias layer on top of urls. so in this sense : each line in the log is an url ; the query for "give me the by-day list of archives" just like the query for ☝︎
mircea_popescu: and the inept copper is trying to flirt with the hussy, in their inept cuckolded way. and she's evidently privy to it, and so is her cousin. (2nd pic)
mircea_popescu: considering the old woman in question worked for the uk govt, there are truly fewer things more upright or morally deserving to do than to destroy her soul and throw the bits in the garbage.
mircea_popescu: "She said: ‘These people have just trashed 30 years of my life and thrown it into bin bags. It is soul-destroying.’"
mircea_popescu: there's also loads of whores, and some migrant gypsies. the latter category possibly only ones who are both having fun and using the uk as it is intended and merits to be used.
mircea_popescu: there's loads of "it experts" who get all excited about salaries being slightly higher than in bucharest and then do indescribably stupid bullshit in the vein of undertaking 30 year adjustable mortgages to buy the utter shit that passes for real estate in england and there only.
Barbarossa_: they do seem uniquely miserable, though - even by British standards
Barbarossa_: can't argue with that, though there is admittedly some selection bias: only Romanians I know are professional gamblers
mircea_popescu: i don't know anyone but idiots and poor orcs still in that shithole. romanians fine example of both categories.
Barbarossa_: sweet - they're super stringent in the UK; US pretty laid back in my experience
mircea_popescu is never showing id to go into a casino, ever.
Barbarossa_: haha, the UK casinos are a *little* nicer - but the US has the best I've seen, by far
mircea_popescu: argentines also think they have casinos.
mircea_popescu: honestly i wasn't imagining anything beyond a http://trilema.com/2015/varia-varietatis-or-your-all-about-the-mollusc-guide/#selection-153.0-153.35 sorta thing.
Barbarossa_: It's a LOT less interesting than you're imagining, I can promise you that
mircea_popescu: what do they do there, eat pringles and show each other their id badges ?
Barbarossa_: sorry - in UK casinos there are lots of Romanian dealers
Barbarossa_: hot Romanian females deal in the UK; .ro d00ds aren't impressed
mircea_popescu: whatever. if you're looking for advice, the correct advice is stay away from women.
mircea_popescu: i can't even parse that, wtf is "romanian gamblers", and what is "their womenfolk" and what is voluptuous here and so on.
Barbarossa_: they don't seem to date them
trinque: lol, maybe they like their women enough to keep!
asciilifeform: then and only then, the middle.
Barbarossa_: mircea_popescu: Romanian gamblers have warned me to stay away from their womenfolk, no matter how voluptuous - apparently more trouble than worth - good advice?
asciilifeform: separation of flies and cutlets algo works best by starting from the peripheries -- take off the flies which clearly touch only flies, and the cutlerstuff that clearly touches solely cutletstuff.
trinque: specifically publishing is a separate concern from the rest, and would benefit from the fault tolerance proposed.
mircea_popescu: in this view the "web" logsearch is really properly "that part of uci you lot intuiutively implemented"
asciilifeform: the former is ffatronic ( bound! ) ; the latter -- potentially unbound
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: imho trinque hit upon a potentially good 'engineer cut' tho -- separation of 'fetch me this thing, that we know exists' from 'perform the following computation with these-here params'
a111: Logged on 2017-09-01 20:05 trinque: are we really trying to preserve every idiotic misuse of hypertext here?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1709109 << it's not directly clear that search is misuse of hypertext ☝︎
danielpbarron: Barbarossa_, what's the book you mentioned about?
Barbarossa_: no worries - didn't mean to besmirch your character - just not waste your time
danielpbarron: Barbarossa_, take your time. also i would not sell you one i already opened; i have plenty still sealed in the electrostatic bag
mircea_popescu: this is the problem, with pantsuit as prb alike : they lack the capacity to influence reality. at any point, arbitrarily long chain of "progress", unwound at 0 cost.
mircea_popescu: and they still have nfi, and still can be helped.
asciilifeform: i can see where mircea_popescu is going. they had nfi, then some 'kind' soul 'helped'
a111: Logged on 2017-09-01 19:50 trinque: hypertext on gossipd may sensibly *lack* the notion of "website" entirely.
mircea_popescu: that time was a decade ago.
mircea_popescu: there was a time when most ghosts had no idea wtf this http is and how does internets again ?
a111: Logged on 2017-09-01 19:50 ben_vulpes: what as if there are zero with spellable names gtfo
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1709065 << for the record, slashdot was named SPECIOFICALLY as to bother lamers. "wait, http:///. ? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: not to mention you know, fucken bookmarks.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-01 19:36 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform my point was that by the time they typed in 83 the rest of the "unmemorizable address" is already filled in.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-01 19:45 asciilifeform: trinque ( and others ) : out of curiosity, how many ipv4's do you personally keep in yer head ? ( NOT counting 'magics' , e.g. 127.0.0.1 )
trinque: used to do all kinds of "patch this file in that dir with leethax.exe" when I was in teens