asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my hypothesis was that it suffices for the enemy to have a pistol that does this, e.g., per every N trigger pulls, and that the number came up.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: waiwut

asciilifeform: nubbins` i think you already did this earlier

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is my current picture.

asciilifeform: this, perhaps, was 100th.

asciilifeform: i can easily see that this pistol might shoot 1% of the time the trigger is pulled.

asciilifeform: until this finally fired.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what makes you think they haven't been squeezing the trigger for 100 shots

asciilifeform: of modest stature.

asciilifeform: you just need 1 coopted miner.

asciilifeform: evil nodes suffice.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the incident with bbet, can be explained without miner cartel.

asciilifeform: it is half of why i believed that a cartel exists.

asciilifeform: and very clearly there are mighty good gametheoretical reasons for the cartel.

asciilifeform: because it looked like '1,2,3, ....magic happens, ... --> ergo x.'

asciilifeform: but i have to say, it is not supported by the incident described in the article, and so this is giving folks indigestion, fwiw.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i assumed that you had nonpublic intel that led you to say this.

asciilifeform: perhaps the 'telco 241' or what was it.

asciilifeform: one of those block-a-day things.

asciilifeform: trivially: the sybilnet has a pet miner.

asciilifeform: (miners ~are~ misbehaving, as, e.g., i witnessed with my lee sedol bet. but this is separate.)

asciilifeform: but it is entirely unclear to me that miners had anything to do with the observables here.

asciilifeform: and so far my verdict is that bbet was sybilled into going under a dome.

asciilifeform: i'm not a bbet shareholder or for that matter anything at all, but am willing to help

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is so far imho the best argument for why it had to be bbet's foot on the mine.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as discussed earlier, it is uniquely easy to do this to bbet.

asciilifeform: or however you say it in engl.

asciilifeform: aha, he's under a dome.

asciilifeform: nubbins`: the most plausible scenario i can think of is that mircea_popescu's network has been boxed in by sybils.

asciilifeform: then ages later, it gets unearthed. by whom, and how?

asciilifeform: davout: so a1 was rejected by miners because ????. and a few hundred nodes, a day later, showed no symptoms of knowing about it.

asciilifeform: davout: if it ~was~ relayed, it would be mined.

asciilifeform: nubbins`: they are, however, my strong point. and mircea_popescu asked an entirely logical q.

asciilifeform: this is a logical question.

asciilifeform: if they aren't relaying a1.

asciilifeform: nubbins`: what he was asking is, why would the nodes that he did NOT transmit a1 to, reject a2.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i've been lifting the rocks for a while. but i do it with sapper's spade , but as i understand you did it with bbet's foot ?

asciilifeform: which is what got folks rioting

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: well you also had a hypothesis concerning miners

asciilifeform: all of my experiments pointed at precisely this conclusion.

asciilifeform: but we knew that it was infested, no ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you actually did this experiment, and this was the result, then you just nailed a set of sybils, yes

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is standard syblic detector.

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-03-2016#1425729 << yes. ☝︎

asciilifeform: or was this a different nubbins`

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2016#1401640 << sometime there ☝︎

asciilifeform: and deedbotted it iirc.

asciilifeform: he did ask

asciilifeform: how is nubbins` 'tenuous' ? i thought he was a serious stockholder, long before i even came here.

asciilifeform: i have nfi, and might be a shoemaker.

asciilifeform: and i think nubbins` has gone to drink

asciilifeform: see log. jurov, kakobrekla, and i all wondered wtf mircea_popescu thought he was doing when he programmed a1

asciilifeform: see logz. reactor meltdowns, folks shat pants, etc.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu !

asciilifeform: did i ever even once publish a broadcast exactly on time ?

asciilifeform: nubbins`: gonna also apply to snsa ?

asciilifeform: that will refuse to relay tx where locktime is set.

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-03-2016#1425662 << this very readily suggests to me a malleus-II ☝︎

asciilifeform: nubbins` and pete_dushenski are entirely welcome to sit on opposite ends of the bar and give mean stares or whatnot.

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: hey there's no rule proclaiming that everybody has to be friendz.

asciilifeform: because those who stopped, stopped so that they could scam consumers.

asciilifeform: yes.

asciilifeform: thestringpuller: in the sense that they 1024.

asciilifeform: i side with tradition and honest ram vendors vs. consistency and scummy hdd makers.

asciilifeform: !up Chicago

asciilifeform: but i have misplaced the link, and cannot find it in the logz

asciilifeform: and now that i think about it, phf had a block disasmer in commonlisp.

asciilifeform: and this is really appropriately a shiva project.

asciilifeform: dumpblock, rather

asciilifeform: (write block disasmer that can take output of 'spitblock')

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i do not. but this'd be a good beginner project

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: what are we looking at here ?

asciilifeform: ah this is re: whether blocks are being withheld as per mircea_popescu's hypothesis.

asciilifeform: so prb tx-baking behaviour would not influence matters

asciilifeform: nubbins`: yeah but he baked the tx

asciilifeform: dooglus: mircea_popescu does not use prb.

asciilifeform: if your client barfs when working with trb, patch your client.

asciilifeform: so this answers it.

asciilifeform: because wtf goats do not get to decide human questions.

asciilifeform: dooglus: when trb disagrees with prb, prb is ipso facto wrong.

asciilifeform: i have to agree with mircea_popescu on this one , http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-03-2016#1424756 ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-03-2016#1424706 << this got lost in the noise and i would like to come back to it. ☝︎

asciilifeform: nah, this is mere kilo-drama.

asciilifeform: i will read.

asciilifeform: (this is a term in ru also.)

asciilifeform: which is fine with me.

asciilifeform: i think i am what mircea_popescu terms a 'shoemaker.'

asciilifeform: l0l

asciilifeform: *net worth

asciilifeform: i have no assets and no net work, i just like maths.

asciilifeform: recall, i am here for slightly different reason than other folks, i'm not really an 'assets' fella

asciilifeform: jurov: i have nfi, i admit that i do not typically follow the subject

asciilifeform: thus far this is reminiscent of the otp thread.

asciilifeform: but imho it is not a very interesting thread without him.

asciilifeform: at any rate, mircea_popescu is prolly off sitting in the war room recrunching the numberz, and will come back and either show us that we're idiots, or apologize and 'gracious donation to shareholderz.'

asciilifeform: which i do not think was meant here.

asciilifeform: danielpbarron: this would, then, have the unpleasant flavour of the car wash folks, who wash you at a red light and then ask for pay.

asciilifeform: danielpbarron suggested it, so i was curious re: his logic.

asciilifeform: so even though mircea_popescu is not here, i can say with some certainty that he was not conducting an s.nsa experiment that day.