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a111: Logged on 2017-08-18 23:01 asciilifeform: 'That followed the General Services Administration removing Kaspersky from an approved-vendors list in early July and a congressional push to pass a law that would ban Kaspersky from being used by the Department of Defense.'
shinohai: Lulzy: "U.S. moves to ban use of Kaspersky software in federal agencies amid concerns of Russian espionage"
mircea_popescu: then willy nilly he has to sleep.
mircea_popescu: except to where it's one week every week and a half
asciilifeform: lol somehow i pictured phf as one of the folx who operates in burst mode, reads log for 8h marathon every 5wks or sumthing
phf: came to moscow to free up time, found out most time is taken up by reading logs
mircea_popescu: WILL THIS SHIT END SO I CAN GET OUT BEFORE SUNUP!
mircea_popescu: phf goes to moscow, is to find ivory micrograph and bdsm club photograph, instead stuck in hotel room reading up on logs
phf: asciilifeform: i haven't had a chance to meet with zeptobars guy yet, but will do before the end of my visit
asciilifeform: ( recall recent article re how to get gpg privkey out of the squeals. )
mircea_popescu: induction coil, somerthing. (mobos still have them for instance)
asciilifeform: i.e. crt gun transformer
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in english i think called 'flyback'
asciilifeform: speaking of lost tech, can haz ivory micrograph yet, phf ?
asciilifeform did not grow up in moscow, and spent a total of couplea days there, as a kid, never saw this item sadly
phf: in the 90s the exhibit of denisyuk technology was basically a tiny room, with a handful of original prints and the "holographic device", displayed with a working laser. was a kind of mecca for certain kind of person, mandatory for a visit when you're spending a day in vdnh
asciilifeform: construction and assembly the young lab tech did with his own hands.'
asciilifeform: the major breakthrough in holography was made from very common materials, which shows the astonishing dedication, enthusiasm despite a total lack of support from management
asciilifeform: 'the bobbin, in all likelihood, was from some truck. in the early years denisyuk used it for igniting the mercury lamp, it served at first the function of the yet-uninvented laser. nearby is a capacitor by siemens, a transformer, definitely scavenged, found on some post-war scrapyard
phf: a kind of semipermanent "look into the bright communist future" exhibit
asciilifeform: !#s twinkle
mircea_popescu: i was thinking of the rsatron
mircea_popescu: oh the knapsack application
a111: Logged on 2015-02-22 05:59 mircea_popescu: is shamir still working on those light machines ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-02-22#1028511 << asciilifeform was this it ? ☝︎
asciilifeform: somewhere in there.
mircea_popescu: the tower of light solver you mean ?
phf: either of you mind digging up that thread?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc we had the thread, in '13 even
mircea_popescu: now THIS would be quantum-ish computer that kinda-might-work
phf: asciilifeform: yeah, it was a very niche thing. a sort soviet retro future exhibit that somehow survived through the 90s. i don't quite remember what else was there, plasma globes, various magnet accentuated magnetic liquids, that sort of stuff
mircea_popescu: it is in fact (the method described) an application of laser interferometry, which is precisely how you'd do the tower-of-light solver.
mircea_popescu: one of those "simple but powerful, fu" items.
asciilifeform: ( or dunno, maybe would be even sadder today if i had... )
asciilifeform: phf: sadly i've never been there
asciilifeform: it's really closer to fft multer
mircea_popescu: it only has the appeal of the unknown, as in who knows what pie we find turning over this pot.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha, but unlike , say, egyptian mult, barrett doesn't have the appeal of simplicity or obvious correctness.
mircea_popescu: not all truths are useful and not all usefuls are true.
phf: that exhibit back in the day.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-13 20:00 asciilifeform: some folx make holographs today, in their cellars, it is i suspect the same attraction. rather like colour film in 1930s
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713800 << one of the appeals of VDNH back in the day was a tucked-in-the-corner collection of Denisyuk holograms. so i went there again, place is almost a shell at this point, BUT one of the buildings was taken over by polytechnical museum, not only did they make a rather nifty science (without quotes!) museum but they also preserved all those old holograms. i suspect i wasn't the only one who loved ☝︎
mircea_popescu: that part i believe ; but as to the science rather than the engineering of it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i've been laying it out on paper since he posted. any way i cut it, thus far, it costs moar than the classical .
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713551 << i don't think his notion is without merit, incidentally. there may be something there. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in that other place, http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-09-13.log.html#t21:44:34
asciilifeform: ( there is a legit reason why, but i will leave it as exercise for readers )
asciilifeform: but this is problematic and div0 is a fatal eggog in p.
asciilifeform: this is when i point out that div0 gives maxint in ffa ( at least naked ffa, without checking first )
mircea_popescu: and so in these terms, the question becomes "if you substract nothing from something an infinite number of times, what're you left with ?"
mircea_popescu: of course the computronist would think mod 0 is "an op that dun terminate". but in any case, the "divide by x" approach to calculating a mod is just shorthand, not fundamental. mod is defined in terms of substraction (take x and y, substract y from x until remainder sub y), has nothing to do with multiplication side of the number ring.
mircea_popescu: this is because of set theoretic considerations whereby increases in the mod parameter increase the pile of possible results, eg mod 2 is 0 or 1
mircea_popescu: fwiw, in my universe mod 0 is defined, and has the value 0.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-13 17:31 trinque: divide by zero joke; I'll show myself out
phf: i missed that somehow
mircea_popescu: (i take it everyone's seen cocksucker blues ?)
mircea_popescu: phf you know, for all the foibles, 1970s pop icons DID try a sort of very brusque, uninformed and "hi i come from the trailer park" alf-boat. hence cocksucker blues and the large touring busses.
asciilifeform: oh hey speaking of lost technology, my noritake itron is here
mircea_popescu: yes, but putting that in the log is like putting the goop in the woman. so much fun to do you keep doing it.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-13 18:31 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713471 << and be part of an actual car (submarine-hellicopter) with the generator in the trunk and the bitchez sunning themselves on teh roof ?
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-13#1713586 << i'm pretty sure that's even in logs: we've concluded that ideal ascii item is a moog like thing, installed on a Nautilus ☝︎
mircea_popescu: ie, there's nothing capitalist about it whatsoever ; capitalism does order the disordered symbols in similar manner as longhand does, as an act of civilisation and a point of manifest superiority pointedly absent from the work (or generally ustardian mentality today)
mircea_popescu: also lulzy, in simiular vein, though i wouldn't for a moment call it "capitalist hell". it is pure and simple collapse among the symbols, as typified in teh elevator scene.
mircea_popescu: dja see yest's mentioned throwaway flick btw ?
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform got a leather-bound 'незнайка на луне' nearly 2wks before the plane , and was in for quite a treat, pictured was stereotypical 'capitalist hell' usa )
mircea_popescu: (no, the present socialism isn't the first to run headfirst into the female brick wall. who could have predictered!)
mircea_popescu: afaik "fuchsia herring" never gained coinage in ru, but honestly it's a much better name for "black chicks code" than "black chicks code" ☟︎
asciilifeform: there is a legend that yeltsin swore on a copy instead of bible
mircea_popescu: see, one's fuchsia, the other's herringette.
asciilifeform: the apotheosis of neznaika series was 'neznaika on the moon', which 'for adults' described moar or less exactly 1990s ruprivatizationlulz
mircea_popescu: !~translate ru to en Селедочка
mircea_popescu: !~translate ru to en Калачик
mircea_popescu: !~translate ru to en Карасик
mircea_popescu: "and then newton sat down to write three laws" exactly it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's a pity all the cancerous fags passing for comedians in pantsuit circles are crowding out the real talent which might be writing exceptional xharms pieces on the basis of current idiocy.
mircea_popescu: and here's the engineer's sliderule for logs tee hee.
asciilifeform: aha it's the thing described in mircea_popescu's 'and then newton sat down to write 3 laws...' article
mircea_popescu: you can not mark them for the latter, i guess, but the point must be made that no, NOTHING EVER STOPS.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform imo it's very fucking stupid to show kids how to do plain division by hand, but then NOT also show them how to do square roots. it fucks up the whole purpose ofd the whole thing, paring down a tree branch to a single item.
asciilifeform: holy SHIT they translatedit
asciilifeform: or hm, maybe that brit d00d
mircea_popescu: !~translate ru to en Незнайка
asciilifeform: i dun think anybody ever translated'im
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: (translate <source language> [to] <target language> <text>) -- Returns <text> translated from <source language> into <target language>.
asciilifeform: it was ~eliminated in the schools shortly before he landed in usa .
mircea_popescu: (it didn't help that it was in the torah of the time, as per saint habarnam gospels, "only blockprinted")
asciilifeform: ( it is worth remembering that ffa is not built to be a museum piece, 'shortest physically possible rsa', but grudgingly made concessions liek abandoning egyptian mul -- so long as result is still fixedspacetime -- , so that it can actually be fired in anger . )
mircea_popescu: because srslty now who the fuck block prints if they ever went to school..
mircea_popescu: after which we had kid council, decided guy is not really a teacher.
mircea_popescu: and he proceeded to blockprint. which was about as shocking as if he had taken off pants in class.
mircea_popescu: da fuck is wrong with people these days, i do not know, but i do recall as early teens, 12 yo or so, there was this very exciting moment in school when they imported AN AMERICAN!!! to do some english classes. this was you know, wild wild stuff at the time.
mircea_popescu can still do this.
mircea_popescu: very evidently what it does. at least to the sort of people who learned how to write in longhand and do square roots by hand
asciilifeform: i threw out egyptian multer very reluctantly, it was so short an' sweet
asciilifeform: it flows from the fact that we walked 1 bit, rather than ( on my box ) 64 at a time
mircea_popescu: is that 100 or 150 related to a particular bitsize ? 8096 ?
asciilifeform: it was about 100x slower than comba ( current basecase ) and ~150x slower than karatsuba+comba ( currently what we use )
mircea_popescu: and since i've this piled in here : to ~multiply~ 349087340 by 3059056 : you create a list 22 items long, that is 29 + 22 bits wide, and you proceed writing down 1 0100 1100 1110 1010 0110 0110 1100 in it bit-shifted 22 times, nulled on occasion. then you add these terms. right ?
asciilifeform: the fact that it advances a bit at a time ?
mircea_popescu: so then what is bitwise in it ?!