asciilifeform: he was not, in the sense discussed earlier, 'moved by poverty'

asciilifeform: possibly it was his only strength...

asciilifeform: his aptness - or ineptness - are not the moving part here

asciilifeform: he, afaik, simply did not have the tastes with which he could enjoy a reward for his work.

asciilifeform: but this is not why he was working for free.

asciilifeform: what was his reward for leading the 'blind kittens' ?

asciilifeform: sorta like stalin did.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this was an observation, rather than prescription, i am noting that you are doing a megatonne of unplesant wurk for phree.

asciilifeform: but holding a gigantic bag of other folks' coin is not really an outsourceable job.

asciilifeform: as far as i can see, the only chance of it resolving cleanly involves mircea_popescu doing a multitude of 'things for phree' which is one of the reasons he is in none too happy a mood.

asciilifeform: anyway, i am not involved with any of this, and for very good reasons (see mircea_popescu's explanation.)

asciilifeform: as i understand

asciilifeform: PeterL: but receiver would have to actually hold the keys, however briefly

asciilifeform: illiterate peasants hitting one another with broken-down spades over a stolen fuck-goat

asciilifeform: it is the pestilence that drove my deep disinterest in bitcoin ~users~ 2009-2012.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i must confess, i was never on tardtalk, etc. and have very limited experience with this item. but i think i know what it is, from logz

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-03-2016#1432314 << what does it mean in this context, to be 'driven by poverty' ? ☝︎

asciilifeform: PeterL: it'd have to be sold to someone who can be relied on not to run off with the contents ?

asciilifeform is actually happy that he isn't being conscripted for this particular chore

asciilifeform: etc.

asciilifeform: or how to remove antitamper on a 'butterfly'

asciilifeform: i don't know which direction detonator in claymore unscrews, either.

asciilifeform: let the pro sappers do it.

asciilifeform: fair.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i mean, from purely technical point of view, i think i have sufficient brain, but if it became known that i have the ignition keys to xxx btc in my house, i will last maybe a day before gestapo.

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-03-2016#1432312 << wai wut, i am by no stretch of the imagination qualified to clear the bbet minefield ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-03-2016#1432304 << yes ! ☝︎

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: you think mircea_popescu was murdered by cia and hitler wants the 750 betted coins to buy a new airfart-one ?

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: why ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, kakobrekla, et al: is bbet for sale for the cost of the shortfall? or do i entirely fail to grasp the algo here

asciilifeform: !up solrodar

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it was a mighty fine mazerati, if beaten up, but now wrecked ?

asciilifeform: snorera: i dun think there is vote.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: waiwut

asciilifeform: davout: vex

asciilifeform: folks were bettin' long into the in-my-cuntry-theres-a-problem saga

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: why do you say dead ?

asciilifeform: aha.

asciilifeform: l0l

asciilifeform: snorera: calls, at the very minimum, for an expert sapper, who is not a reich subject

asciilifeform: snorera: i'm pretty sure i don't meet at least 4 or 5 of the qualifications.

asciilifeform: or do i catastrophically misunderstand.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: presumably receiver gets to operate bbet if he can make it solvent ?

asciilifeform: which is why i said 'rot'

asciilifeform: aha.

asciilifeform: the protocol says pretty much nothing save what constitutes a valid tx and block.

asciilifeform: davout: correct, the 'promise' says it.

asciilifeform: i expect it is still there.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes already thinks that mircea_popescu spent the betted coin on drink? or what.

asciilifeform: what coffers

asciilifeform: or that no one even bids ? or what.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: lemme guess, you expect to see that he will turn down dooglus because he isn't active in modern wot, jurov because he agreed with nubs, you because usaschwitz inmate, and this leaves nobody so the bets get eaten ?

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: no srsly what haul

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: looks like !

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what haul

asciilifeform: !up snorera

asciilifeform: somebody gotta do it.

asciilifeform: snorera: ty for inhabiting the shitland that exists to make usaschwitz look good!

asciilifeform: so this'd be rather like faulting a fella shot as a bystander in a bank robbery, for not wearing a flak jacket that day ?

asciilifeform: as far as i can see.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu was moving coin that was legitly movable, as per the (rotten) protocol, sans fee. ☟︎

asciilifeform: the incident hanbot described concerned freshly-moved coinz.

asciilifeform: nubbins`: we had this thread ?

asciilifeform: http://chernobylgallery.com/chernobyl-disaster/cause << see also

asciilifeform: nubbins`: i have nfi why he transmitted without fee. just as i have nfi why the operators at chernobyl reactor 4 wanted to 'test'

asciilifeform: yes.

asciilifeform: nubbins`: what would have been your conclusion if he had transmitted with a fee but same thing happened ?

asciilifeform: nubbins`: hanbot's advice was derived from working with mptronics

asciilifeform: waiwut

asciilifeform: no, srsly, mp's elbow button aside, who is the example nubbins` would have us learn from ?

asciilifeform: havel0l ?

asciilifeform: usgbase ?

asciilifeform: nubbins`: and who then was 'actual business' ? mtgox ?

asciilifeform: nubbins`: i thought you did not believe that mpoe was a market ?

asciilifeform: !up snorera

asciilifeform: kakobrekla: was it high-S ?

asciilifeform: then presumably kakobrekla would still have 'skin in the game' ?

asciilifeform: if kakobrekla gets no dividends for a year+, he must do something else to pay bills..?

asciilifeform: but i think i can infer what it was, from above

asciilifeform: i will read it, for my own education

asciilifeform: kakobrekla: was is essentially what nubbins` said earlier ?

asciilifeform: because right now the only thing i read was mircea_popescu's 'and kakobrekla refused...' thing

asciilifeform: kakobrekla: i forget, did you ever write at length re: your side of the unpleasantries ?

asciilifeform: how is that different from ' mircea_popescu ought to have eaten the loss '

asciilifeform: nubbins`: so you would operate it yourself, for no reward, for a year ?

asciilifeform: to pay'em out

asciilifeform: even if all bets run to term, bbet still has to be operated by somebody

asciilifeform: nubbins`: yes well the question was not about bets. it was about how long you would have mircea_popescu wait for a receiver.

asciilifeform: i have nfi

asciilifeform: ask kakobrekla ?

asciilifeform: give to the first hobo who asks ?

asciilifeform: nubbins`: what would you do in his place? spend the rest of your life waiting for a receiver ?

asciilifeform: thestringpuller: see, in particular, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=26-01-2016#1386298 ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-03-2016#1427845 ☝︎

asciilifeform: thestringpuller: see the mega-thread re: same,

asciilifeform: with hot poker.

asciilifeform: fuck wired.

asciilifeform: i would read it, but it barfs, 'ad blocker detected', etc

asciilifeform: it is simply 'throw infinite money at decade-old algos' ☟︎

asciilifeform: i will also point out that google INVENTED NOTHING for this item