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asciilifeform: this item reminds asciilifeform of his highschool thesis-thing, which was a massive dig into the primary docs re lysenko
asciilifeform: upstack, http://www.stalindigitalarchive.com/frontend/node/3#tag=VKP has supposed scans of original drafts, stalin's red ink, correspondence, relating to subj b00k. but the yale people want a reg and asciilifeform can't be arsed.
asciilifeform: ( nor does being a fascist automagically give you a window into the shooting cellar, and name of every d00d on the conveyor, lol, in real time )
mircea_popescu: so after reich and slavski, stalin executed slansky, and malenkov beria to no longer bother him with the brush. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: it is customary to sing them like i tell jokes : about the persons present.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform problem with these items is that they are one step removed from gypsy fare. the words change.
mircea_popescu: probably during petru groza cabinet, 52 to 58
asciilifeform: so it could be the czech, neh
asciilifeform: after ostentatious show trial
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hard to date, but between 1946 and 1958 or so.
mircea_popescu: granted disagrees with boneheaded traditions identifying the latter as this guy who was you know, active throughout the 70s and 80s.
mircea_popescu: now, i'm pretty sure i got them right, esenin's wife and yaroslavski. but old ro guard disagrees,
asciilifeform: when was the song ?
mircea_popescu: both historically and in the song.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is it possible that he meant the czech ?
asciilifeform: near as i can tell, the folx pissing on stalin today, divide into usefulidjits and the actively pantsuited ( who would ~prefer~ an argentina in place of su )
mircea_popescu: which who the fuck are they ?
mircea_popescu: i just wanna be able to decode five syllables on an ancient rca record. the man says, in romanian phonetics, "raic si slavski"
asciilifeform: depends on the distance.
mircea_popescu: well, the interest of the historian is not you know, ethical.
asciilifeform: beheaded ~100k or so (near as i can tell) 'pantsuits' , to make it stick.
asciilifeform: modern historians paint the textbook edits, 'gentle suggestions', etc. as an evil, but as i see it the man went and 'tried soft power' first ☟︎
asciilifeform: then slaughtered the moos and out of their bone starch built industry etc.
asciilifeform: old man iosif vissarionovich nixed the luxembourgs, lenins, 'world revolution' crapola, leftist idiocies in the vein of 'free luvv', cancellation of money, of military ranks, of whatever semblance of order, mulched, as necessary, the kakobreklas who balked
asciilifeform: iirc we had the thread.
asciilifeform: though i will add that if there had been not a stalin, and this were not done, su would look like zimbabwe (or, charitably, argentina et al)
asciilifeform: the observation re stalin rm -rf / 'ing the well-developed wot pre-dating him, is old hat and entirely tru
mircea_popescu: well, whether this is true or not, at the time my guy wrote it hadn't happened yet.
mircea_popescu: now, your argument here is that the last two got hung but the first escaped ?
mircea_popescu: stalin, by for instance daring mention that trotski was you know, minister of war, rather than consumate conspirator.
mircea_popescu: ok so, for summation : the objection re the gazette was that it said something about rosa luxembourg (as the habit was to glorify the three l's, and stalin wanted it broken) ; the objection re ryazanov was that he typified a sort of marxist-leninist scholarship that was stalin-indifferent, stalin didn't like. and the objection re yaroslavski was that his original, 1920s item reflected a history not sufficiently flattering for
mircea_popescu: david, born goldensomething or the other. guy died in 38.
mircea_popescu: the one that lead the marx-engels institute
asciilifeform: 1 at a time...
mircea_popescu: 3rd event, for the pattern : stalin personally wrote against the whole staff of proletarian revolution, for "trafficking trotskism". aye or nay ?
mircea_popescu: problem compounded by the fact that my only interest in the matter stems from an obscure mention in an post-war anti-soviet propaganda song by some guy i studied.
asciilifeform: ( for n00bz : subj b00k became Official Truth on party history etc )
mircea_popescu: sorry asciilifeform . all i have are my own notes, which are as all hand notes useless without hte backing of the library of origin (in this case, the universitary library of cluj). teh interwebs dun seem to have a "here's the list of trotsky letters". ☟︎
asciilifeform: all i dug up is various folx contesting the authorship
mircea_popescu: well this may take a little, where the fuck does one find this shit online.
mircea_popescu: oook, i found reference! lyova wrote to trotsky on 19 nov 1937, and trotsky replied jan 22 next year, they are discussing the stalin ban on the yaroslavsky item!
mircea_popescu: the original item was called "History" not "victory". this looks like a 60s reprint maybe ?
asciilifeform: https://www.ozon.ru/context/detail/id/4440538/ << hey is that is
mircea_popescu: the self-same history of the bolshevik party.
asciilifeform: last link defo not prosov www. and yet 0 record, there or anywhere, of y having written a book that got unhappened etc
mircea_popescu: well nikita also wrote cannonical obit of stalin, but the point is, he did fall at some point in the 30s, his historia was indexed, and so on.
asciilifeform: wrote canonical bio of stalin, sat on the librorum prohibitorum committees, etc
mircea_popescu: yes, most of them sucked it till the end.
mircea_popescu: we are discussing the cock not the sucker here tho.
asciilifeform: afaik d00d sucked stalin's cock till the day he died.
asciilifeform: ( scroll to the caricature, also. )
asciilifeform: let's verify that we have same d00d ?
asciilifeform: afaik d00d was never publicly defrocked, or even rebuked, buried with honour in the fortress wall
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how far does the disagreement go ? y. wrote a likbez on bolshevic orthodoxy that stalin found extremely apt in 1940, and then full of heresies in 1943. aye or nay ?
mircea_popescu: wouldn't be the first time romanian history of the urss diverges from russians' own idea.
mircea_popescu: "being a trotskist" afaik.
asciilifeform: i assume we're discussing the propagandist ?
asciilifeform: not strangled at all tho
asciilifeform: ( witness how they treat localhost 'deniers' etc )
a111: Logged on 2017-09-30 18:36 mircea_popescu: try and find any fucking concrete detail of anything. "global warming!!" yeah, and the measurements are where ? "MTA investment!!" yeah and you did what ? "stalin purges" who ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-30#1718706 << i find it interesting how the racket is supposed, evidently, to work : the details somehow 'have been reified into The Consensus Reality (tm)(r) and consequently Only A Terrorist would demand to 'reopen the case', demand raw figures, verifiable-anythings. ☝︎
asciilifeform: incidentally when is anybody gonna make one of these for usa
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, but it's not in fucking english, the language of the premiere science engineering shitheads in the world, now is it.
mircea_popescu: cuz fucking obviously, their windows notepad croaks if confronted with a 100mb csv, whereas their windows media player plays the uhhhhs and ummms just fine.
asciilifeform: more typically a 'stole from employer for decade+, and then Cruelly Unjustly Repressed (tm)'
mircea_popescu: "oh but mp, a list of 20mn names would be too long, here's instead a 1.2gb video version of me going uuuuhhh ummm in a concrete cell with plastic loose wallpaper!"
asciilifeform: and incidentally whenever i dig out an actual case file ( there are not many in public domain , no prizes for guessing why ) it dun read like a 'arrested for nuffin'
asciilifeform: http://old.memo.ru/memory/spiski.htm << the most liberally snarfing 'list of repressed' derps, funded by usg dos, sum up to 3mil.
mircea_popescu: they could be tachyons for all the fucking difference it'd make, came from the future and going to disappear into the past.
mircea_popescu: try and find any fucking concrete detail of anything. "global warming!!" yeah, and the measurements are where ? "MTA investment!!" yeah and you did what ? "stalin purges" who ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: FUCK YOU!!! details are for terrorists! Stalin killed 20mn people and they had no names!
mircea_popescu: you wanna know which fucking slavsky he supposedly strangled, as it's not the yefrim director of medium machinery ministry, who survived to the 80s ?
a111: Logged on 2017-09-30 18:26 asciilifeform: the continuing lulzy part is how everywhere on the net you will find 'constant time crypto libs are available', 'it's a solved problem', 'this reduction routine is constant time', and all of it is liquishit and doesn't stand up to 30 seconds of examination with naked eye
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-30#1718691 << in the same vein, "everywhere on the net" you see discussion of "stalin purges" and headcounts and commentary past satiem and nauseam. what you won't find is a fucking LIST OF NAMES. AT ALL. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: a nm, their 2015 five year plan 30bn is a jumble.
asciilifeform: 'New York State’s Metropolitan Transportation Authority has said that it needs $29.8 billion in capital spending over the next five years... ...After months of silence, Gov. Andrew Cuomo has weighed in with a plan: $8.3 billion from the state, $3.2 billion from the city and the rest from the federal government and other sources' -- volkischer beobachter, aug. 2015
asciilifeform: just like the statehighways etc
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: takes fed moneys, neh
asciilifeform: from openssl down to the crackpot libs, same exact thing, somehow the ~label~ is supposed to... make it so?
asciilifeform: the continuing lulzy part is how everywhere on the net you will find 'constant time crypto libs are available', 'it's a solved problem', 'this reduction routine is constant time', and all of it is liquishit and doesn't stand up to 30 seconds of examination with naked eye ☟︎
mod6: eitherway, thanks for the tip.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> the sane approach consists of isolating all of the unixoid crud in separate .ads/.adb , make it compact. << ah, this is even deeper than i have it for sure.
mod6: anyway, it's been pretty cool to see this thing come to life. im now in the process of building the big map of vpatch->srcfile->{hash_a, hash_b}
asciilifeform: the sane approach consists of isolating all of the unixoid crud in separate .ads/.adb , make it compact.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> the cost is, then you gotta make'em behave adaistically << yeah, my approach now seems sane. might be a bit expensive tho. so, if there's a better way thats still 'sane', will try that and report back.
mod6: but am flexible. my basic aim is to write the code, keep it as tight and functionally appropriate as possible, then tune it later.
asciilifeform: the cost is, then you gotta make'em behave adaistically
mod6: ya. i was looking at your stuff to sort of guide me a bit.
asciilifeform: you will notice, for mmap i picked the latteer
asciilifeform: ( i have not personally tried )
a111: Logged on 2017-09-30 16:04 mircea_popescu: i thought mta ran on public funds.
mod6: anyway, this is all just experimental stuff. no worries.
mod6: but as far as I can tell, there is no way to do that in ada. the general thing i've seen out on the web is that you must write the output of the shell command to a file, then read it back in.
mod6: for example, I do a bunch of this in perl: @result = `gpg --bla --bla`; foreach(@result) { }
mod6: if anyone knows how to do this, let me know.
mod6: Another thing worth the mention is that my ada-vtron shells out to gpg - which adds some time as well. one thing I think that would help is if I could figure out how to capture the shell command output directly back into the application instead of having to write to a file, then read the file back into the program.
mod6: Anyway, there is some hope here perhaps -- got a long way to go.
mod6: Doing such, avoid use of the heap. And there is quite a bit of manipulation I have to do with the strings. So that adds some cost, because I'm basically doing the parsing on my own. I'm not using any weird 3rd party libs.
mod6: Basically when working with Strings.Fixed I end up making arrays (of fixed size) of strings (of fixed size), need to use caution always to not continue to iterate if the string at a given index is filled with ' '.
mod6: To close the loop here a bit, the vtron stuff I've been doing in ada is a lot faster now than it was -- just needed to get some better loop control.