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williamdunne: asciilifeform: I saw you tear the Entropy apart a-while-back, did they fix your main concerns?

asciilifeform: http://i.imgur.com/EP3wwzA.jpg << policeman who told about this.

trinque: I think it's essential to know how to operate weapons no matter who is in power

decimation: and I mean small 'd'

decimation: eh, I'm not sure guns are the answer

trinque: I'm sure I don't have to tell anyone here that

asciilifeform: i'll take a tomb

trinque: I'll take a bunker

williamdunne: trinque: I was mindfucked for the past 12 months or so, but I didn't dive in and read blogs etc first

felipelalli: trinque: it's true! deedbot solves the blacklist problem, I think.

trinque: asciilifeform: I was utterly mindfucked for the majority of the time I first spent here

decimation: I mean, your friends in the flesh

felipelalli: decimation: you're right. But would be so cool and useful if I really could use WoT to things in day to day and not only in dreams. ☟︎

felipelalli: but it would be at least funny. I'd rate the president of Brazil, the "mirror" user "twitter-dilmabr" as -10 as "scammer!" for example.

felipelalli: trinque: I know that. I am trying to convince the Brazilian community move to here, but it is being hard. The main community is still on Facebook. ☟︎

felipelalli: asciilifeform: in the car I was thinking about a solution and I think I found it: what if the "derivated mirrored user" was just an ID of a social network like Facebook or Twitter? Before strike me, let me explain my motivation:

felipelalli: well, thanks asciilifeform trinque decimation and williamdunne - I have to go take my wife, bye!

felipelalli: decimation: I said injustice in the meaning of someone uses a fake ID to blacklist someone unduly, just that.

trinque: if I take a big shit in every business deal I'm ever a part of, I'll either outsmart everyone and win, or the shit's going to catch up to me

felipelalli: asciilifeform: I am convinced the idea is broken at the point where you can not identify someone accurately. This could easily lead to injustice. But I will try more mature the idea. williamdunne raises a good point: if you follow the WoT, maybe someone is "good" or "trustful" to identify others.

trinque: I mean... this is no different than life

williamdunne: asciilifeform: That was the point I made;)

williamdunne: I'm not saying its a good idea, I just think its interesting as an idea ☟︎

felipelalli: can be impossible, indeed. I didn't mature the idea. Maybe it is true: it could be impossible.

felipelalli: the only flaw in this idea is that there is no reliable way to identify someone only. I understand that. But if there were, could be very useful to create blacklists. Especially in Brazil where there are many scammers that exposes all of your personal life, and we know their real names, their documents etc.

williamdunne: asciilifeform: I think he is really just looking for a way to make sure that each person only carries one identity, and the best way he can think of is a passport

felipelalli: asciilifeform: you didn't understand because I didn't say.

asciilifeform: if it were 1415, i say 'my name is xxxx' and 'name' in your head -means- 'what my new friend calls himself'

trinque: ^ what I put as the headful of shit

asciilifeform: felipelalli: is it unclear to you why i have no reason whatsoever to add or subtract to my belief that this is your name, from hearing this ?

trinque: felipelalli: so then I lie about my name when I deal with you

felipelalli: trinque: I do not believe in any gov official. I am voluntaryist.

asciilifeform: reading the logs; reading sites such as mircea_popescu's; same as you and i did

asciilifeform: sadly, i suspect that even a thousand threads like this one will not suffice in hammering the point home to the thickest ☟︎

felipelalli: i did not mean "usg agent", replace that by "specialist in documents"

felipelalli: ben_vulpes: so, supose you are a usg agent and everybody knows your ability, you rate 10 the user br-8d255152, even if that user had 20x -10, I'd trust in your rate. The point is just the standard. The WoT serves as a natural filter.

ben_vulpes: i speak of an ascii blob i receive over whatever channel - is this not a document?

felipelalli: I know it is not perfect, but it could be useful in some situations. The point is just create that standard.

trinque: decimation: I doubt US intelligence has zero assets inside apple

decimation: in the case of apple, I think it's quite likely they are honestly trying to make things secure, but are about as successful as all other 'tech' firms have been

williamdunne: felipelalli: https://github.com/MrChrisJ/World-Citizenship by working on it I mean "thinking about it"

felipelalli: asciilifeform: thank you, good point, but it could be offset with the WoT where the ability to analyze a real document would be taken into account. williamdunne thank you! Nice to hear that! I was thinking about it for days! Do you know who are working on similar standard? ☟︎

asciilifeform: decimation: i specifically said that it does not matter where snowden came from, for this hypothesis

williamdunne: felipelalli: I don't think your idea is that bad, but it would need to be more decentralized and based on WoT. For example asciilifeform might meet you in person and vouch that you are whom you say you are, and that your identity number is: 31231610

trinque: not even multiple choice I wager... the barbarians!

ben_vulpes: and i can only be male or female?!

asciilifeform: (if you're lucky. if you're not, he has you shot for the things i did while 'i were you')

asciilifeform: felipelalli: say i'm a scammer. i buy your passport scan from whoever owned 'mtgox' and use your code.

felipelalli: ok, I'll try: I'd like to use OTC as a global "blacklist". But it is bad for that because a scammer won't create an account on OTC, or if his reputation is bad, he'll erase it. So we could create a "standard" like for example: br-8d255152 where "br" is the country code ISO and 8d255152 is the first 8 chars of SHA256 of user country document (in Brazil we call CPF and in Australia ID)

felipelalli: ben_vulpes: I was too excited.

ben_vulpes: i don't edge with strangers

asciilifeform: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2015#1099925 << do i need to explain what the resurrection of 'key escrow' idiocy from '90s (clinton's! to go right along with the new clinton!) means from the meta-nsa school of thought? or is it already obvious to aficionados ☟︎

felipelalli: ahahah thanks ben_vulpes ok, but I think it could be a "book", so I'll write on pastebin and then paste here.

ben_vulpes: felipelalli: i'll gladly shoot you down for the pleasure of it

felipelalli: hi! I have an idea. could you guys please tell me if this is a bad, more or less or good idea?

asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> ... i thought you didn't like perl. << i dislike many things. but ripping out the perl won't put me any closer to victory, so it is $maxint down on the list of things-to-do...

williamdunne: mats: Somehow I doubt that the IRS wouldn't track to whom they issue each card

mats: i have nfi

mats: (also, can anyone explain why the IRS issues debit cards for refunds? i'm told they're "untraceable" by folks that spoke to LEOs regarding the matter)

mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2015#1100149 << how about "an arts tax to support the artsy sorts of dumb bitches with etsy accounts ? $35, includes two mandatory blowjobs / year from any female wearing the mandatory "I am an Etsy ho" bracelet, anklet or tramp stamp" ? ☝︎

jurov: i quoted that mainly because of the planning

mircea_popescu: pki isn't even a thing anymore. i don't use it, for instance.

assbot: Logged on 13-04-2015 22:21:13; jurov: "Finally, some people conflate the idea of a global transition from plain HTTP to HTTPS as a move by CA's to make more money. They might argue that first, we need to get rid of CA's or provide an alternative path for obtaining certificates. I disagree. Switching from plain HTTP to HTTPS is step one. Step two might include adding more avenues for establishing trust and authentication."

assbot: Logged on 13-04-2015 22:18:42; lobbes: re: tax idiocy. There are towns where I live that feel fit to tax income on residents that make their money out-of-town.

assbot: Logged on 13-04-2015 19:39:06; lobbes: did trilema migrate? << I, too, have not been able to load it today

mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2015#1099958 << i thought you didn't like perl. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2015#1099917 << i answered the dumbass. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2015#1099891 << on the basis of that bill i'd say the six in question are poor. ☝︎

trinque: I'm sure it is

williamdunne: trinque: I was led to believe it was for the disabled gay orphaned puppies

trinque: precursor to a portland income tax, I guarantee it

trinque: damn it; I was scrolled up :p

jurov: "Finally, some people conflate the idea of a global transition from plain HTTP to HTTPS as a move by CA's to make more money. They might argue that first, we need to get rid of CA's or provide an alternative path for obtaining certificates. I disagree. Switching from plain HTTP to HTTPS is step one. Step two might include adding more avenues for establishing trust and authentication." ☟︎

lobbes: re: tax idiocy. There are towns where I live that feel fit to tax income on residents that make their money out-of-town. ☟︎

jurov: as "free money" i tend to imagine something other

williamdunne: ben_vulpes: If I had a reason to change, I might. I've been meaning to look into it for a while

ben_vulpes: heh i don't really expect you to just start using emacs

williamdunne: ben_vulpes: thanks for those links, I'll look into that

ben_vulpes: <williamdunne> mircea_popescu: Do you not think it would be useful to be able to set a reminder without leaving your text editor? This is the sort of mundane task I was thinking of (certainly not enough to spark any sort of industry)

assbot: Logged on 13-04-2015 18:05:10; pete_dushenski: http://i.imgur.com/7tk7oK8.png

mircea_popescu: i dunno

trinque: williamdunne: if being able to do that requires shipping an audio file of my every command to google, I'll pass

williamdunne: trinque: I'll have a look at it, I just like the idea of saying "remind me to get food out of the oven in 20" while in the middle of doing something that might actually matter

williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Do you not think it would be useful to be able to set a reminder without leaving your text editor? This is the sort of mundane task I was thinking of (certainly not enough to spark any sort of industry)

mircea_popescu: i'd say i hope you shoot them, but then again you're not muscle so.

mircea_popescu: ascii_field i would hope that if you point a gun at some idiot govt agent, you a) it's not a rifle indoors ; b) it's not a 22 caliber etc.

assbot: Logged on 13-04-2015 17:17:50; pete_dushenski: i dunno why anyone would want to talk to a computer instead of type into it

ascii_field: '"Although I cannot regret my actions last Sunday, I unequivocally wish I could have visited Mr. Dunphy at a point in his life where another level of intervention may have been possible," the officer wrote in the email, obtained by CBC News.'

danielpbarron: Michail1, i have bitcoind working on Arch; when i tried it on debian i ran into problems relating it not being a "static" build

ascii_field: Michail1: i have a 'buildroot' config published, that yields a minimal linux for pogov4.

Michail1: Thanks. That is the one I used; however, that one is more geared to debian although I did arch. Also, that link doesn't tell you that booting from the USB3 ports doesn't work (costing me an hour).

trinque: http://blog.qnology.com/2014/07/hacking-pogoplug-v4-series-4-and-mobile.html << I also found this helpful as a general guide to putting a linux on the thing.

Michail1: Thanks. As I was converting the plug, I discovered that both builds were listed/suggested, but wanted to know if there was a reason to choose one over the other. Hell, I will just make one of each since there is no compelling reason to do one over the other.

mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-04-2015#1099740 << i was like 6 ☝︎

funkenstein_: i agree but i thought that was cause i haven't been using it long enough

ascii_field: (e.g., can i tell gpg 'this key is now expired but existing signatures remain valid until heat death of universe' ? afaik no)

funkenstein_: yeah i guess there is no need to make it crufiter

ascii_field: funkenstein_> for example, i could check your pubkey and send you coin << you can do that now. create addr, fill it, send over proper pgp

funkenstein_: which isn't much advantage i guess

lobbes: did trilema migrate? << I, too, have not been able to load it today ☟︎