asciilifeform: phf ^ has it.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and yes i am an arse! with no social graces! but my aspiration is that when i finally go to the woodchipper, folks will remember the pile of dead nazis, and not how i was arse.

asciilifeform: trinque: mighty spiffy

asciilifeform: btw my emulated micropopescu is stabbing me with a sharpened toothbrush. is this a correct spec behaviour ?

asciilifeform: i.e. i might have a crude emulated mircea_popescu living in my head, but not a very well developed hanbot

asciilifeform: hanbot: to clarify, i meant that i cannot presume to speak for other people, esp. ones who i have not interacted with at great length

asciilifeform finally grasps that mircea_popescu is going through the miserable l0gz

asciilifeform: largely as i know mircea_popescu.

asciilifeform: i know hanbot, as she knows i, largely by works.

asciilifeform: and hanbot was my 1st contact here

asciilifeform: we met at c2 & 3

asciilifeform: waiwut

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: on their corpses, not them as such

asciilifeform: imho this is a spiffy idea. 'tagbot' ?

asciilifeform: (the real question is why usg would ever admit to it - whole point of the charade was to build precedent-setting verdict. i suppose this outcome became in doubt, and whole thing was brought to what is intended as a quiet burial ?) ☟︎

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2016#1437589 << l0l, mcafee finally desoldered the nand for them? or one of the other 10,001 folks who offered. ☝︎

asciilifeform: even with my amoeba eye.

asciilifeform: this i can see.

asciilifeform: so mircea_popescu is presently in the 'nothing to be gained from machine-readable encodings of signature meanings' school of thought ?

asciilifeform: i do not yet know if it is possible.

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2016#1437604 << this is ~exactly~ what i was aiming at with 'v algebra' thing, to see if it is possible to expand the 'real part' of signature. ☝︎

asciilifeform: l0l i thought jurov had already sold

asciilifeform: incl. it

asciilifeform: jurov: i meant, that somebody is selling megatonnes of various.

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2016#1437595 << somebody's packin' for a trip to mars or what. ☝︎

asciilifeform: which is why the gossip model of wot is the correct one, where there is no attempt at global/'canonical' state, but only a series of questions, which folks may choose to answer - or not - depending on who asks.

asciilifeform: who the fuck knows what so-and-so's ratings ~really~ meant, but him and his inner circle (if that)

asciilifeform: but the thing about 'may as well not be visible' is dead on

asciilifeform: well signature comes with a mechanical algo for verification; everything beyond that is 'promise', rather than protocol

asciilifeform: i thought whole point of wot was to a) bare your chest to the knife and b) to even have a chest

asciilifeform: what am i missing.

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2016#1437588 << waaaaiwut..?? did we uninvent wot now ? ☝︎

asciilifeform: mega-b000k

asciilifeform: (in proper 'concent', 'syndevs' not permitted!111 gotta write in ink, on paper from paper treez!)

asciilifeform: i.e. to get to where i can just have the dos box.

asciilifeform: phf: this is pretty much my entire ambition in life

asciilifeform: i used norton commander's editor for 99% of things.

asciilifeform: sure.

asciilifeform: (watcom rocked absolutely)

asciilifeform: serious devs used turboc, or, in the very end days, watcom.

asciilifeform: eh dos emacs sucked arse

asciilifeform: whereas go and try make a pci-e card.

asciilifeform: dos pc was also the absolute pinnacle of the make-own-hardware era

asciilifeform: and i don't think i will live long enough to fully exhaust the excellent gamez.

asciilifeform: i will have a dos box until i die.

asciilifeform: this, and also most of the games ever made that imho were worth playing, were on it.

asciilifeform: mod6: mircea_popescu had a good article, iirc, on this. it was the last gasp of the 'my computer is mine and i know how it works' era.

asciilifeform: phf: i think we all do

asciilifeform: it will entumour you.

asciilifeform: you can't 'live and let live' with microshit.

asciilifeform: because it merely being A THING is pernicious.

asciilifeform: there are reasons why my first act re trb was to exterminate all compatibility with microshit

asciilifeform: because it 'had to' exist on idiot os with 8char filenames

asciilifeform: and yes, ultimately it is why it has own idiotronic db

asciilifeform: phf: you can always tell the smell of microshit

asciilifeform: neighbour trained the cats to come out of hiding when she bangs on the dish

asciilifeform: aha!

asciilifeform: actually the bell and the food dish are my pavlovian trigger.

asciilifeform froths, like a rabid dog

asciilifeform: if i wanted registry, i would fucking run winblowz.

asciilifeform: FUCK every pissant proggy getting to have its own miniature version of the microshit winblowz 'registry'.

asciilifeform: and if it doesn't come in explicitly and deliberately through the command line or stdio, it doesn't belong in the input.

asciilifeform: when it cannot be avoided

asciilifeform: state is what the motherfucking file system is for

asciilifeform: FUCK hidden state

asciilifeform: phf: one of the big reasons gpg is a turd is the 'keys in dbs' idiocy

asciilifeform: trinque: motherfucking KEYRINGS arrggh

asciilifeform: afaik using any reserved bits (algo field) will nuke ordinary gpg.

asciilifeform: so you will never know if sig is made by old or new.

asciilifeform: davout: if using format of classic gpg, there is no way to uniquely specify 'this is vtronically signed'

asciilifeform: and anyway why are you relying on the exit code ?

asciilifeform: trinque: l0l! srsly? which gpg?!

asciilifeform: trinque: waiwut

asciilifeform: and, importantly, ~fails~ to break things that oughta break

asciilifeform: davout: because it breaks things.

asciilifeform: think, e.g., 'vdiff'.

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-03-2016#1437473 << a CORRECT approach and literally 1 line of sed is worth 10,000 hours of misguided toolmaking. ☝︎

asciilifeform: aha.

asciilifeform: there is no clean way to do it with classical gpg

asciilifeform: mod6: this was deliberately not specified

asciilifeform: *briefly

asciilifeform: (but decided that this was retarded) ☟︎

asciilifeform: though i considered, brifly, hijacking the high bits of the timestamp 32b field for it

asciilifeform: phf: it isn't

asciilifeform: if i'm gonna depend on an antique, i'd rather take one that was made in qty 500,000,000 in 11 countries. than 10,000 in usa-only.

asciilifeform: mod6: nope.

asciilifeform: y'know, the ones with 0 docs

asciilifeform: mod6: you could fit 500 of them on a cheap fpga. but you will be using an AMERICAN FPGA

asciilifeform: (e.g., lamport signature; burn & verify eproms; etc)

asciilifeform: and carry out certain other operations

asciilifeform: i once decided to determine the simplest box that could be assembled from readily-available (preferebly, sov-block) components, that could GENERATE and OPERATE a reasonable onetimepad.

asciilifeform: this, i must add, is not an official s.nsa project of any kind. but it is there on my desk with a dozen other items of 'parachute' variety

asciilifeform: mod6: 'drivers' is not really a meaningful concept on a 64k box

asciilifeform: whereas thing really oughta take modern 'flash'

asciilifeform: in other instances, there are anachronisms that create wholly unnecessary problems, e.g., tape and extinct disk systems

asciilifeform: and is not even in all cases 100% documented, so will be difficult to re-create.

asciilifeform: they also contained various custom i/o, that is gnarly, of heavy incidental complexity, and - importantly - cannot be had in new production

asciilifeform: largely because - while they were indeed built on top of some excellent 8-bit cpu, most of which can still be had -

asciilifeform: ~actual, whole~ '80s micro is a good toy and learning instrument, but poor foundation for a battlefield system.

asciilifeform: mod6: prolly ought to share my observations here.