asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the other popular feedstock is pla, which is made of corn exhaust

asciilifeform: (~understand~ meaning FULLY, as in - ~all~ edge cases)

asciilifeform: more broadly, i have nfi what goes inside a '.git' directory, and the effort required to understand it is substantial

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2016#1438197 << illustration of what bad hygiene looks like ☝︎

asciilifeform: and proceeds to throwing out the vaguely filthy and the contaminated-by-contact

asciilifeform: mrottenkolber: hygiene is a broad concept, but it starts with excluding known filth

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no phthalate in abs

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: abs melts and cools, and melts again, etc. this is why 3d printer is even a thing

asciilifeform: mod6: correct vtron will exponentiate inside itself.

asciilifeform: mod6: there are no libs

asciilifeform: mod6: a proper vtron won't call out to shell

asciilifeform: abs is not thermosetting

asciilifeform: same thing of which your keyboard (if it is any good) is made.

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2016#1438206 << iirc most folks print with abs. ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2016#1438202 << somebody wake up diametric and his 11 (?) handmade 3d printerz ☝︎

asciilifeform: mrottenkolber: there are threads in the logs re: poor hygiene of git.

asciilifeform: http://www.thisiscolossal.com/2016/02/a-3d-printed-sundial-displays-time-like-a-digital-clock << mega-pr0gr355555

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: we have diagnosable tards delivering parcels, they often end up miles away, for no discernible reason

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: parcels from commercial mega-vendors, can go to the house, if they get misplaced insurance pays.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: valuable/unique items from ~humans~, i like to sit at the post

asciilifeform: nubbins`: the post in my town keeps 'banker hours'

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-03-2016#1437915 << possibly, i have not yet picked it up ☝︎

asciilifeform: this - can be had.

asciilifeform: going for modest thing here, not trooo luvvv, but good fuq.

asciilifeform: well, he ampered it, at least, and i did some of the maxwellizing and pretty much all of the heavisiding.

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-03-2016#1438070 << aaaactually mircea_popescu invented specificity-of-diddling-theorem, i just heavisided it ☝︎

asciilifeform: kalash is not even my model for imitation, but closer to... japanese lance mine.

asciilifeform: but yes, like kalash, it is not built for comfort of the wielder so much as for maximum effect.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is also very painful to the enemy at the business end of the barrel, which is what matters

asciilifeform: understand, a 10kB patch is ~LONG~

asciilifeform: as per mircea_popescu's formula.

asciilifeform: i'd rather shit in the cable.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i'm not reading a MB of crud i've seen before.

asciilifeform: ick

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: this'd result in gargantuan lengths of duplicated crapola

asciilifeform: but iirc mircea_popescu & hanbot et al disagreed, so v had to be.

asciilifeform: but i was reluctant to write v, if you recall, because i considered the problem it solves to be a trivial / muscle thing

asciilifeform: not idiot rote

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i like right pain

asciilifeform: i use v + bare teeth

asciilifeform: am i the only one without fancy mechanisms here ?

asciilifeform: iirc

asciilifeform: sorta what pete_dushenski was trying to do at one time

asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-03-2016#1438049 << the only solution is with actual brainz, folks writin' articles. ☝︎

asciilifeform: point.

asciilifeform: can we also haz marilyn m ?

asciilifeform: ^

asciilifeform: going with heathen versionatrons

asciilifeform: (someone iirc actually said 'use darcs')

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: still regretting not doing that ?

asciilifeform: v and bitcoin are related by happenstance, as git and linux kernel were.

asciilifeform: mrottenkolber: you are in good company, i also do not use bitcoin with any appreciable frequency...

asciilifeform: (kipling)

asciilifeform: 'After the burial-parties leave. And the baffled kites have fled;. The wise hyænas come out at eve. To take account of our dead. '

asciilifeform: they do! i have seen.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha!

asciilifeform: mrottenkolber: read where

asciilifeform: mrottenkolber: how did you come upon b-a ?

asciilifeform: congrats mrottenkolber

asciilifeform: well suppose you have a box which accepts patches via email, as jurov has.

asciilifeform: even if the result does not resemble code

asciilifeform: mrottenkolber: this is not the important bit. a collision will successfully interfere with the function of automated vtrons, e.g., one where patches are thrown into a hopper unattended

asciilifeform: mrottenkolber: you should be able to voice yourself now.

asciilifeform: !v assbot:asciilifeform.rate.mrottenkolber.1:68c6afed7ec0113bb290a9e2f0b609f2ea8216f0d0820a80a690cf9960e20096

asciilifeform: !assbot:asciilifeform.rate.mrottenkolber.1:68c6afed7ec0113bb290a9e2f0b609f2ea8216f0d0820a80a690cf9960e20096

asciilifeform: !rate mrottenkolber 1 new blood

asciilifeform: using a curtain instead of front door to your house is also likewise 'convenient'

asciilifeform: 'convenient' does not enter into this.

asciilifeform: phf: thing is that i have no intention of ignoring the sha1 issue. sha1 is ~broken~.

asciilifeform: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets

asciilifeform: you will be able to voice.

asciilifeform: mrottenkolber: consider getting in the wot, i will rate you.

asciilifeform: it is total war.

asciilifeform: but yes, they are sore spots, and due for the chopping block.

asciilifeform: by things that WE wrote and UNDERSTAND.

asciilifeform: mrottenkolber: these are in the queue for replacement.

asciilifeform: wake me up when it's 100 lines TOTAL

asciilifeform: that i for one have not read nor verified, nor intend to

asciilifeform: phf: not only are git hashes sha1, but git itself is a gigantic bag of ?????.

asciilifeform: v is so as to put an end to this idiocy.

asciilifeform: 'everything' in 'open source' was written by 'everybody and nobody'.

asciilifeform: the modus operandi of the enemy is to insert 'bugs', e.g., 'heartbleed', and to prevent attribution.

asciilifeform: e.g., dns.

asciilifeform: e.g., git.

asciilifeform: the primary weapon of the enemy is the morass of 'nobody read this, nobody understood this' crapolade that 'everything depends on'

asciilifeform: there is an enemy.

asciilifeform: the correct context in which v is to be understood is that it is: a weapon of war.

asciilifeform: the nailing down of the BITWISE identities of the intermediates, ~is~ part of the point of v.

asciilifeform: again, without this, you have 'faith-based' patching.

asciilifeform: likewise, the file hashes ~are~ a part of v, it is how you know that the prescribed flow of patches is being successfully followed.

asciilifeform: which you did not need a program for, could have done it without me just as well

asciilifeform: without it, you just have a bag of patches, to be sorted manually

asciilifeform: the toposort ~is~ part of it.

asciilifeform: see in particular http://trilema.com/2016/the-v-manual-genesis 0x00

asciilifeform: neither i nor toyota have any business saying what you do.

asciilifeform: and yes, you are free to replace the hash with sha1 or md5 or crc32 or whatever, just like you are free to buy a toyota and drive it off a cliff

asciilifeform: or carrier pigeon.

asciilifeform: can use sneakernet and floppies if you like.

asciilifeform: it is entirely up to you how to get new patches into and out of the box

asciilifeform: no explicit use, for instance, is made of the network.