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asciilifeform: in some cases one wants this.
asciilifeform: eval-less lisp is a sterile thing, like a bullock or capon.
asciilifeform: i am aware.
asciilifeform: which makes it definitely more of a 'el cheapo undergrad lisp' than a scheme.
asciilifeform: you typically don't get call/cc either
asciilifeform: i regard it as false advertising.
asciilifeform: no eval -> not scheme.
asciilifeform: and it is not really a scheme any more.
asciilifeform: but in some perverse cases (e.g., 'chicken') compiled to c, but then you lose eval
asciilifeform: phf: bytecode-compile
asciilifeform: the operation of the compiler in common lisp is generally semantically transparent.
asciilifeform: (it operates in what modern folk might call 'just in time' mode.)
asciilifeform: mod6: modern common lisps typically include a compiler.
asciilifeform: mod6: scheme is commonly interpreted.
asciilifeform: instead you get stack trace barf.
asciilifeform: jvm, for instance, does not support the sane error handling common lisp users are accustomed to.
asciilifeform: where they spew.
asciilifeform: or read the comments to my 2 articles
asciilifeform: but feel free to ask the aficionados.
asciilifeform: mod6: imho i described above, why.
asciilifeform: not only this, but 'omfg11111! i can sell lisp to the boss at the cube farm now, it will build to jvm, can mingle with java codez!11'
asciilifeform: (same folks as do haskell, but an iq std. dev. more junior)
asciilifeform: this gave it a 'functional!111' and exotic flair and attracted hipster types
asciilifeform: etc.
asciilifeform: 'let's immutable-data'
asciilifeform: e.g., 'let's use square brackets for certain lists'
asciilifeform: mod6: similar to the old 'armed bear common lisp', except that it was written by a 'clever tricks' crackpot who added in ten truckloads of homegrown ustard idiocy
asciilifeform: mod6: clojure compiles to jvm
asciilifeform: mod6: some years ago, i attended a few meetings of a local clojurist society. ended up barfing and writing article, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=42 (and sequel, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=374 ) that ~still~ get flamez, and - until recently - were among the top google results for subj...
asciilifeform: period.
asciilifeform: i don't work with, e.g., ruby, or with people who do.
asciilifeform: i don't give half a shit re what sewer rats do, for so long as it isn't done in my house or where i have to see it.
asciilifeform: and if they aren't in range - negrate.
asciilifeform: the solution to 'clever trick makers' is to kick in their teeth
asciilifeform: jurov: monstrous idiocy
asciilifeform: phf nailed it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it has sharp edges but afaik it is the best we have short of massive-runtime-turd abominations like haskell.
asciilifeform: read 'rationale' 1st ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i didn't build the thing!1111
asciilifeform: http://sworthodoxy.blogspot.com/2014/03/watching-world-from-intersection-of.html
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: also interesting,
asciilifeform: phf: http://tech.venefyxatu.be/item/57
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it means you ought to be able to get successor by + and predecessor by -.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hm?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in usa software cos were EXEMPTED from liability suits
asciilifeform: or functional requirements, poor design, or programming mistakes. The root cause of the hazards will be exposure of implementation-defined behaviors in a programming language. Who will the lawyers sue over the consequences of those hazards?'
asciilifeform: the new hardware will be received as a complete surprise by most users of the upgraded system and by their management. The surprise may be accompanied by hazardous events because of incorrect control of a safety critical system. People may be injured or die, the environment may be seriously damaged, and very expensive systems may be damaged or destroyed. The root cause of the hazards will not be po
asciilifeform: 'As a software safety engineer I find the implementation-defined aspects of C++ bit-fields to be very unsettling. A project may verify that its C++ bit-fields work as intended on a particular architecture, but when a technology refresh is performed in several years, there is no assurance that the C++ program will continue to work properly on the new hardware. The failure of the C++ program to run on
asciilifeform: re last 2 paras
asciilifeform: http://sworthodoxy.blogspot.com/2014/03/ada-vs-c-bit-fields.html << also of interest
asciilifeform: 'prime number type'
asciilifeform: http://sworthodoxy.blogspot.com/2015/08/ada-2012-type-invariants-and-predicates.html << re earlier
asciilifeform: l0l!
asciilifeform: wat
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you mean so that trinque has to build a castle around the server ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: WHY
asciilifeform: but why the fuck would you put a wallet in deedbot?!
asciilifeform: ^
asciilifeform: and?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu et al: was there ever a btctronic auction site ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ru
asciilifeform: the whole crud orchestra - pestilentially high tax, the resulting cancerous bureaucracy, usg as majority economic actor, the lot.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: modern usa, taxwise, and in many other respects, is circa 1900 or so.
asciilifeform: it is done as DELIBERATE 'let'em trip up and pay fine'
asciilifeform: this is not why.
asciilifeform: incl. any wage that is on record
asciilifeform: they confiscate anything you might have
asciilifeform: actually long before jail,
asciilifeform: perhaps we can sit in the same jail
asciilifeform: l0l
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i dunno any other philip
asciilifeform: time horizon.
asciilifeform: hm?
asciilifeform: doesn't even try.
asciilifeform: accumulates nothing.
asciilifeform: lumpen is actually ~below~ rat.
asciilifeform: if rats invent debt...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: half?!
asciilifeform: how long to set up rat nest ?
asciilifeform: rat has no possessions to confiscate, etc
asciilifeform: nowhere does law apply to rat.
asciilifeform: or ' be rat '
asciilifeform: no i know about the lumpens.
asciilifeform: how is my poverty not a poverty ?
asciilifeform: to anything short of thermonuke.
asciilifeform: the crack smokers, as mircea_popescu correctly observes, are more or less invulnerable.
asciilifeform: i'm speaking of poor, not lumpen scum
asciilifeform: yes?
asciilifeform: if yer poor in usa, merely HAVING TO SHOW UP IN COURT is likely to cost you your job, for instance.
asciilifeform: otherwise entirely on crack
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: only true in the 'blood from a stone' sense
asciilifeform: if you're poor you're priviledged << waiwut?!
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: mega-businessmodel.
asciilifeform: for $trillion / turd ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: l0l! does that fella also sell own shit ?
asciilifeform: trinque: you are still thinking in the old style
asciilifeform: trinque: l0lwut
asciilifeform: (examples of type-predicates you ~could~ make)
asciilifeform: not built into the language in any sense