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BingoBoingo: Anyways, a plus of Brazil is the language is just Spanish with a weird accent. Just like Romanian is near-spanish with a slavic accent.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> now, as to the matter of prices: the principal matter is whether you peer or you don't peer. peered traffic is FREE. unpeered traffic is about $9 per month per Mbps installed capacity. << AHA, long term idea is outgrow a major expense by becoming hot, sexy, blonde, pert peer
mircea_popescu: (peering is entirely not a different thing from how the bitcoin network works, at that)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the ~chipsets~
mircea_popescu: except in some places (notably, australia, because telstra are imbeciles and want to be paid about 20x). vbut then again SIMPLY EXCLUDING shitholes is not actually a problem.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> japan, australia, mainland, hk, taiwan, sg, koreas etc united by more installed capacity than london/amsterdam/ny etc << Hong Kong has tremendous interconnectivity through the HKIX system... within itself...
mircea_popescu: now, as to the matter of prices: the principal matter is whether you peer or you don't peer. peered traffic is FREE. unpeered traffic is about $9 per month per Mbps installed capacity.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-16 19:41 BingoBoingo: Also switch with multiple 10G ports can be had for less than used Kawasaki Ninja 250
a111: Logged on 2017-10-16 19:10 asciilifeform: the folx who actually use sustained 30G/s etc ~build~ dcs, partner with telecom firms, and so on
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-16#1725663 << mno. those'd be the folks who want pb not gb. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: as per that ancient "you defeat the enemy by outdigging him"
mircea_popescu: japan, australia, mainland, hk, taiwan, sg, koreas etc united by more installed capacity than london/amsterdam/ny etc
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i would be surprised if there wasn't somewhere in teh walls of supersekrit beijing a document describing how creating an equivalent of the north atlantic in the south china sea is a fundamental chinese military/strategic goal for the year 2030.
BingoBoingo: One thing that is becoming clear appears to be having Atlantic coast seemingly predicts better internet than Pacific coast
BingoBoingo: Anyways if all one wants is unmetered 100mbps the way for that is business internet connection to home office, box sleeps within 50 feet of own head. http://www.highlandcommunicationservices.com/HCSBusInt.php
mircea_popescu: and the origins of akamai lie in consistent hashing much like the origins of alphabet lie in the iterated graph thing.
mircea_popescu: (lewin was one of the people osama sent to their maker)
mircea_popescu: but since we're doing this : lewin's "50k competition business idea" runs a quarter million boxes in something like a coupal thousand dcs. to compare and contrast with http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-12#1724349 ☝︎☟︎
BingoBoingo: the ports that is, not the switches
BingoBoingo has to expect outbound connection to take at least one, preferrably four of them
BingoBoingo: Also switch with multiple 10G ports can be had for less than used Kawasaki Ninja 250 ☟︎
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Anyways consider the case of 100 AMD G boards colo'd in a 4U case. How much speed for them?
mircea_popescu: cloudflare doesn't even figure in this kind of discussion. and so on.
mircea_popescu: but anyway. l3 for instance has an installed capacity of 100 PB or so (these are bytes not bits). akamai in the same range.
mircea_popescu: these are all teh healthy metrics.
asciilifeform: my criticism is that BingoBoingo's request, at least as summarized earlier, looks precisely like the '1000 car'
mircea_popescu: anyway : worldwide traffic is what, 1mn petabit or thereabouts. the http://trilema.com/2016/the-megawatt-standard/ very much applies, we can't seriously propose to control x% of world's capital without controlling similar %s of energy production, data interchange etc.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: This is why you ask for a referral to the transit providers.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> what the fuck, "internet doesn't really exist" next ? << This exercise has done more to inform "How internet exists" than previous 31 years of life.
asciilifeform: incidentally this might explain BingoBoingo's pinoys : it is typical for folx who use massive bandwidth, to have own fiber laid through the dc's closet, rather than leasing it from the same people as the rack space
mircea_popescu: same way i can own a thousand car fleet notwithstanding the "1000 car" has not yet been built.
asciilifeform: how is a thing not yet built, leased ??
asciilifeform missed this
mircea_popescu: petabit connections are routinely leased ; and if they aren't leased by us that ONLY means we suck and no more.
asciilifeform: my observation is strictly 'netflicks is NOT proof of massive bandwidth in turd world'
mircea_popescu: what the fuck, "internet doesn't really exist" next ?
mircea_popescu: yes, it isn't a secret, but apparently you've retreated into insanity with this whole thing.
mircea_popescu: so your idea of how netflix works is that a bunch of couch dwelling "Criminology" majors queue up before a dc to be shown their inane shit on the dc's wall mounted display ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: because we're doing arbitrary tcp to whole planet, presumably ? vs derping around inside one physical house
asciilifeform: the fact that netflix-watching gurl in karachi gets to pretend she has 1G/s because the films are hosted in same cabinet as the other end from her gsm modem, does not help ~us~ get 1G/s from same dc in karachi
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they run boxes ~in isp~ . connectivity is not a scalar
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and those don't run boxes then ? what is it, come out of a netflix toothpaste tube ?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: expand re bedbug << The old women land lords when yet another tenant bails at their infestation goes with over the counter remedies half heartedly.
mircea_popescu: and stop with the "unlimited" bs, that's how "blackhatworld" tards express themselves.
asciilifeform: to major telecoms wherever
a111: Logged on 2017-10-16 19:03 asciilifeform: there are entire orcistans that don't add up to 30G/s sustained.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-16#1725654 << this is false, or at best outdated. NETFLIX! ☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we have these in usa also, pretty much everyone who can afford, sends children to some variant
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform also, this is hs.
asciilifeform wonders how many dcs on the planet have anything remotely like sustained 1G * # of rack slots
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-16#1725648 << think what you'd like to have for your ideal box and multiply by 40 or so. ☝︎
asciilifeform: not so diff in principle from uni tuition in usa ( add a zero to the price )
mircea_popescu: so : worthless $everything is cheap for the idiots and useless for everyone else, the great achievement of ourdemocracy.
mircea_popescu: the irony isn't even the "not free" part ; but that what this fellow paying two average salaries per head gets is NOT WORTH MONEY.
mircea_popescu: average salary here is ~half that ; and he has three of them.
mircea_popescu: in related considerations : my mechanic here sends his kids to private highschool (see http://trilema.com/2017/friday-night-or-las-moiras-revisited/#selection-217.0-227.376 ) at a cost of $600 per month. this does not include uniforms, food, textbooks, various other items.
mircea_popescu: to them, it is.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-16 18:49 asciilifeform: incidentally, 'bandwidth is cheap' is a misconception. the only folx who think 'cheap' are the ones who do not saturate their pipe. try saturating, 24/7/365, and you will find that not so cheap.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-16#1725645 << only believers come from the churches of "healthcare should be free" / "education should be accessible" etc schools of ourdemocracy krill. ☝︎
BingoBoingo: Note this is also a big reason why Bedbugs are on the upswing.
BingoBoingo: Upwardly mobile pantsuit Biddies moves on from starter house, rents it, repeats every 5 years until they are 48 and overwhelmed their letting agency is interferring with their secretary gig
BingoBoingo: Anyways, in other corners of gringolandia the rental house market is fatter because Biddies wanna make money while they sleep
BingoBoingo: Or they are trying the leadgeneration/referral thing
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The thing about azns is they gossip.
asciilifeform: ( i have a very similar problem in meatspace -- i live in rented houses. the market for this is extremely thin ( discussed in old threads, i won't repeat ) because the expectation in gringolandia is 'if you have that kind of money, why wouldntcha BUY!111' etc )
BingoBoingo: The reply percentage has gone up to ~60 percent in the past 2 weeks. Since Friday it's been +140%
asciilifeform: the folx who actually use sustained 30G/s etc ~build~ dcs, partner with telecom firms, and so on ☟︎
asciilifeform: wildly batshit requests tend to end up in /dev/null
asciilifeform: pill against ddos is to make the payoff of ddosing anything but entire set of nodes, 0.
BingoBoingo: No, that's an accidental side effect. But the plus side is clients get seriously impressive speed
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: attempting to outbandwidth ddos artists, dun work
BingoBoingo: That's 10 cable modems in DDoS mode or a single AWS+Wordpress away from collapse. Better to get the faster pipe and meter it
asciilifeform: there are entire orcistans that don't add up to 30G/s sustained. ☟︎
BingoBoingo: Both what the port itself costs and what the transfer costs
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Hopefully Imma going to find out
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: do you have any idea what multi-G/s ~sustained~ typically costs ?
BingoBoingo: On the other hand, there is "not cheap" and then there are Pinoys offering a 10Mbps connection for a 42 U rack
asciilifeform: incidentally, 'bandwidth is cheap' is a misconception. the only folx who think 'cheap' are the ones who do not saturate their pipe. try saturating, 24/7/365, and you will find that not so cheap. ☟︎
BingoBoingo: You forget, in my world 2-cyle is for the pros. Nothing sadder than a 4-cycle strimmer
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the miners-on-2cycle-petrol-modem was not sufficient hint ?
BingoBoingo: And the tech may also be problem too. It's starting to seem like everyone in Asia has MAX!!!111!!HIGHSPEED connected to noone else.
BingoBoingo: Don't forget the ritual asking of questions over multiple round to show interest while panicking that someone is looking to buy!
mircea_popescu: according to the majority of the contemporaries, the correct response is to move about incoherently while vocalizing vaguely and drooling slightly.
mircea_popescu: yes but the problem here isn't tech, it's "what to do when someone says hello".
BingoBoingo: Well, for all the noise about tech in Asia...
shinohai: Ba dum tiss
BingoBoingo: Well, when one becomes to recieving either jolo or rando ny Telestra sales staff, it is a change of pace
shinohai: Well BingoBoingo I doubt they are making brazillions .....
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo not really that surprising.
BingoBoingo: In other wonders, when you submit a quote request in Brazil for a full rack, the CTO sends an email
mircea_popescu: i can't even claim that much. irresponsible enough to even know there was anything to doubt.
asciilifeform: ( approx. 'doubting thomas' )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: oblig thematic classic: 'Из пасти у зверя / Торчит голова./ До берега / Ветер доносит слова: / - Непра... / Я не ве... - / Аллигатор вздохнул / И, сытый,/ В зеленую воду нырнул.'
mircea_popescu: anyway. teh... "department of people deeply concerned with my continued welbeing" let's say is deeply concerned and humbly asks to please not do that again.
mircea_popescu: eh why the hell not, apparently i'm untouchable. cleopatra-as-isis has been reborn in me and no mortal hand can harm such a one or how did it go.
asciilifeform: next i suppose is to visit forest where jaguar ?
mircea_popescu: i think this now qualifies as the superlative bender, retrospectively.
mircea_popescu: apparently surfers routinely lose limbs to these guys.
mircea_popescu: aaand in other nacht und nebel, i find this morning that yesterday i went skinny dipping a few kilometers off costa rica's principal concentration of crocodylus acutus.
mircea_popescu: "Philine writes to me that she feels absolutely dreadful in spite of the clairvoyante who felt her in the rectum and gave her such helpful guidelines for her behavior".