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mp_en_viaje: paintsuit world is as fine a hobby as any other hobby, and what the fuck's wrong with having hobbies now. but if you stop distinguishing between vocation and avocation, if the hobby takes over activity as a sort of parasite, it's not ME "declaring" you an otaku. i'm like the coroner in that sad context, nobody died because the coroner pronounced them dead. at the time the coroner showed up, the deed was long done.
mp_en_viaje: what, you think i'm hobby police over here ? go, win the fishing competition, be the greatest pitcher on diamond #8, municipal sportscourt #11 etcetera. just, again, if you stop showing up for work because THAT's what you're doing, you're off your rocker, for srsly.
mp_en_viaje: nobody cares, it's not like i'm particularly threatened by the notion god help me ; but if you quit your day job to spend a decade or whatever's left of your active live becoming the 285`666th most popular singer-songwriter in the 63rd most popular genre AND you also expect someone will drop what they're doing to clap for you... you're insane, in so many words.
trinque: but gentoo's a piece of shit. if it's not apparent why, I'll definitely have to say why.
mp_en_viaje: ~that~ is what i'm signalling ; and that that's what i'm doing along with that i have to do it is self-fucking-obvious on the extant record, wut!
trinque: I think they can do all sorts of things with or without me.
trinque: what is it you think I'm signaling to diana_coman's bunch?
trinque: I'm going to just honestly say I don't follow you, because I don't.
mp_en_viaje: because, ultimately, that's what i do here.
mp_en_viaje: nor can i eschew signalling this point to dorion for the merry gang, specifically because he has little fucking idea about the underlying truths in the thick "engineering" sauce.
mp_en_viaje: that doesn't mean now i'll permit a whole "lost tech" fantasy fiction to erupt on fucking gentoo, as fucking if the symbolics idiocy wasn't ENOUGH of a waste of time / ready rug to sweep it under..
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-10 18:29:38 trinque: mp_en_viaje: I put it to you that without money inflow... what republic? I'd thought we'd arrived in the same place on that one, at the time.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-10#1954773 << way of the world. i've rewatched the big lebowski however, for good measure.
trinque: nicolewhatever: and by the way, repeating your master's opinion for him says very little. I heard him; he doesn't need you going "ayyyyyy", but good girl all the same.
trinque: dorion_road: ftr I have no problem with trying out your thing and offering critique either. I do have a problem with armies that don't eat, so I'd love to hear how you plan to sustain the effort necessary to maintain an OS.
trinque: I'll just tip hat and go be stupid somewhere else.
trinque: if after this, you still want to eat stallman's leavings I'm not going to protest or insult you on the matter.
trinque: I'm going to write something on why eating a product of socialists is stupid, and if we must eat shit, eating the least shit is the move.
trinque: I'm not going to be put in the position of defending socialists, people with kids, or whatever else I'm declared to be.
trinque: mp_en_viaje: I put it to you that without money inflow... what republic? I'd thought we'd arrived in the same place on that one, at the time.
lobbes: I can say from experience that working in python has not been the best for my mental health
diana_coman: and now I hope I won't have to cut & clean blender too, lolz.
diana_coman: there are 1001 pythons in fact and at some point it used to be a half-decent quick-prototype/plaything tool; I'd say it got then pushed forwards & "adopted" and all that, because "easy".
mp_en_viaje: i suppose the same could be said about 2000s era php, or 2010s era haskell
mp_en_viaje: anyways, i have serious reservations about anything-python. it's the first time for me, i never thought before a lang is basically the satan ; but it seems to me anything derived off python's going to be stupid, for that reason.
mp_en_viaje: because totally, i'll be so very fucking impressed, don't you know it.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-12 21:14:00 mircea_popescu: i dun think you're a lazy man. currently i think you grew up in a house with a lot of door slamming as a rhetorical device, but that's really neither here nor there.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-10 12:10:44 BingoBoingo: Reading the ongoing conversations in the forums and castles, I get a building suspicion that further cutting on Gentoo is going to start looking like cutting on CrystalSpace
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-10#1954760 << for the transparently self-obvious reason that idiots preserve idiocy -- if they didn't, they wouldn't still be around. so yes all their infuriating cuntbrainfarts are always well glued with broken glass, it's never a case of "holy shit, i can't believe how intolerably stupid i've been", it's always a case of http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1950966
mp_en_viaje: like i see the stain on the idiots who failed to symbolics, and like no amount of handwringing / wining on the "engineer" side can save them, so this. it's fucking visible -- monkeys failed for being monkeys, it is ON THEM. for having been monkey. when the calling came, they failed.
mp_en_viaje: if trinque fails to work within the framework (which yes, DOES mean jan 15th is a firm deadline, not because you made it so or could, but because i can, and do), and nobody gives a shit about cuntoo, everything that was thereby lost is upon trinque to pay.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-10#1954750 << to be perfectly clear, i'm not at all inclined to lend support to this sort of misbehaviour. young man has no excuse to act like a cunt, "oh, hurr durr, LET OTHER PEOPLE". by and large, if he's not here to work his shit, nobody cares about his shit.
mp_en_viaje: if this two bit idiocy worked, what the fuck were i even doing here ? hurr.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2018-09-29#1855672 is still good law, and still exactly how this'll derpy "oh, i'm gonna turn around and try to use the republican infrastructure to fuck up the republic with" is gonna go.
mp_en_viaje: needless to say i'm not in the fucking slightest impressed ; and i think it's well established by now how that goes, or how much this sort of "i'm speshul" cuntery ends up being worth.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-19 01:27:38 trinque: let it be plain that I hate most of you. and you should hate me back. I don't want to hear another dipshit that can't find his way into a 50k/yr business call himself lord.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-10 12:14:38 BingoBoingo: diana_coman: I'm trying to stay in my own land and out of the OS discussion, but the parallels between the CrystalSpace discussions and the Gentoo discussions are seting of some alarms.
dorion_road: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-10#1954763 << very much appreciated. i'll read up on it.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-10 12:10:44 BingoBoingo: Reading the ongoing conversations in the forums and castles, I get a building suspicion that further cutting on Gentoo is going to start looking like cutting on CrystalSpace
dorion_road: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-10#1954760 << I hadn't made that connection, thanks for the link!
dorion_road: gentoo package management has gone through a lot change over the years. I've used gentoo regularly since 2016, but am looking forward to lobbes article on ebuilds because I still haven't grasped that complexity.
dorion_road: the second is the python script baggae with USE flag system that makes gentoo gentoo for better and worse. I think the package management is the biggest value in gentoo, but I don't yet know the cost/benefit of tameing it with V.
dorion_road: the complexity/cost of the first is the apparent thompsonization of gentoo bootstapping.
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: I'm trying to stay in my own land and out of the OS discussion, but the parallels between the CrystalSpace discussions and the Gentoo discussions are seting of some alarms.
BingoBoingo: dorion_road: Mind however, that this is based off of what I'm reading in the logs rather than the source of the actual items.
BingoBoingo: Reading the ongoing conversations in the forums and castles, I get a building suspicion that further cutting on Gentoo is going to start looking like cutting on CrystalSpace
dorion_road: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-09#1954728 << I intend to make something new.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-09 22:26:29 trinque: anyone wants to pick up these items I've built, I'll be more than happy to give them to him in working order.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-06 23:08:07 trinque: and you have fewer men than you'd like, and I'm not going to pretend to be 20, and then cry when I fail at it. that's why I said I'm looking at kernel + busybox for my own stack. even it isn't human-sized, but it's about two orders of magnitude less twine and shit than "standard linux distro"
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-29 13:11:15 diana_coman: tbh by now I really want to give a spin to jfw's gales thing too and actually see what's there.
dorion_road: Gales Linux was released last month (which I've used for a couple years by now), bvt and skyped are giving it a spin this month and
dorion_road: I'm budgeting time this month to carry out spyked's method using qemu and lobbes is deepening his understanding of the ebuild system.
dorion_road: diana_coman , bvt , spyked , hanbot ,
dorion_road: The stage I'm at now in terms of wutdo with cuntoo is : there have been 7 installation reports that I'm aware of -- if I've missed one, someone please correct.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-09 22:23:29 trinque: dorion_road: I dropped the cuntoo thing because I think it's idiocy to "ubuntu but totally in our own way and with moar fascism!1" or w/e. I'm not then going to turn around and help you build one.
mp_en_viaje: i never would have imagined.
ossabot: Logged on 2018-11-15 11:58:12 mircea_popescu: i'll want the coin back next year. now go forth and own stupidity no more!
mp_en_viaje: in other end of year book keepings, holy shit i can't believe i'm gonna have to take a negrate in lieu of that coin.
trinque: anyone wants to pick up these items I've built, I'll be more than happy to give them to him in working order.
trinque: you have what you want, so I'll see myself out. lets leave it at that.
mp_en_viaje: i'm not sitting around to watch you play with age-adequate lego sets.
trinque: I can't say I agree with your approach either.
trinque: dorion_road: I dropped the cuntoo thing because I think it's idiocy to "ubuntu but totally in our own way and with moar fascism!1" or w/e. I'm not then going to turn around and help you build one.
mp_en_viaje: i'm developing fucking insomnia ;/
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: lol, I knew adlai got sidelined, but it's been a while since I read into the how/why
mp_en_viaje: not that i've seen, not on this planet, but...
mp_en_viaje: more stark statement of youthful impotence as imanent ireelevancy besides this simple "oh, an older woman couldn't possibly ever kneel for you" i can't really imagine.
diana_coman: I had more fun with the "how to make a movement" , "going under cover" and all the "we are very serious(ly playing) here"
dorion_road: I can't say I'm very enthused, but looking to see the upside and get through it as productive as I can be. Getting back to Panama will be a relief for sure.
dorion_road: mp_en_viaje myeah, it's a family reunion. I agreed to go back in august.
dorion_road: I'll publish my december tmsr os plan by this thursday.
dorion_road: I'll be traveling dec 25-jan 6 with potentially good internet, but unknown at present; I'm going on a cruise. january 6th I'll be back in Panama.
bvt: dorion_road: comment published and answered; i can do a test run of gales after returning (20 dec)
bvt: hello, i'll be traveling 14-20 dec and 5-10 jan; will be in low availability mode
dorion_road: mp_en_viaje I was/am thinking of the bios software as one of the standard parts. if the operator doesn't want to use it, doesn't have to. for anyone that does, it's there to be used.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-29 13:08:36 mircea_popescu: this 2 really goes all the way back to the proposed portage supremacy i nixed back in 2018 or w/e it was. NO, portage is not special cuntlet, NO, portage may not be more important than any other turd. V rules, portage obeys or goes away.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-17 12:42:50 ave1: I was genesing it, and will continue to do so. But with feedback in the loop. So, for example, gcc comes with an old STL html documentation tree, can this be dropped? (I would say yes)
dorion_road: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-27#1953688 << hey ave1, how goes ? have you been following along the tmsr os thread ? I've assumed you want to continue with your gcc work and own it, is that still the case ?
dorion_road: I'd like to know your thoughts as well. Not just about those, but, e.g. also Gales Linux now that it has been released. Gales bootstraps with busybox, which I know you've been working with.
dorion_road: spyked I left a comment that's in your mod queue http://thetarpit.org/2019/assorted-notes-on-bootstrapping-cuntoo#comment-188
dorion_road: bvt I left a comment that's in your mod queue http://bvt-trace.net/2019/12/keccak-hashing-for-kernel-rng/comment-page-1/#comment-100
dorion_road: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-07#1954458 << I'd tend to agree with the suspicion. First I think it'd be helpful to know the cost of acquiring TMSR bootbable hardware. Defining was TMSR bootbale hardware means and listing the 'known good' board that are already supported by coreboot or similar would be a good start.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-07 05:08:56 spyked: anyway, I'ma sit on this thread for a while, will focus on getting uefi disentangled for now
dorion_road: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-07#1954457 << I'm looking forward to the uefi disentanglement!
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-07 05:07:30 spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-06#1954435 <-- I'm not convinced it will, tbh. atm buying an existing corebootable board is a much cheaper alternative (for gpg at least) than supporting a new one, on account of http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-05#1954371 ; might work on the long term when the supplies for e.g. x60 will be exhausted, but even then, trying to make sense of closed t
dorion_road: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-07#1954452 << you make good points; I'll have to sit with the thread as well. I'm here to weigh the options and understand what makes sense.
mp_en_viaje: nevertheless, i suspect a superior systematic set of answers to the main questions is on its way from there.
mp_en_viaje has been re-reading this discussion in lieu of sleeping. there's a lot in there, and i fear not so greatly expressed.
diana_coman: well, I always wanted to do that rather than anything else, what can I tell you.
mp_en_viaje: but then again, everyone should do that. i started doing it in my 20s.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, i suppose "he should've retired broadly construed".
mp_en_viaje: though i dunno he should retire. i suspect he should take teenaged fucktoys.
mp_en_viaje: much like ceausescu, you know ? there he finds himself, among young men for once. for once in a logn while. and he still, he doesn't quite see how it'll go. he's surrprised by the chain of events. i dunno, seems fucking obvious.
mp_en_viaje: i do not believe he did anything undefensible at any point, let alone culpable.
mp_en_viaje: i honestly do not thing he should've anything, besides perhaps not be surprised, like in that old ro joke.
diana_coman: hm, I took 9 years from 1870 (bridge building started in 1871) to 1879 (bridge collapsed one year after opening)
mp_en_viaje: which it was. but neither bouch, nor anyone else "accused" or "under suspicion" during the proceedings -- all of them his friends, incidentally, the gilkes making dubious passive-agressive comments in the vein of "knowing how treacherous a thing cast iron is, but if an engineer gave me such a thing to make I should make it without question, believing that he had apportioned the strength properly" had been his partner for thirty years at t
diana_coman: I see.
diana_coman: oh, they moved the boats on that? I thought they had some part to flood for the purpose or something (because yes, isthmus is landmass)
diana_coman: maybe; to my eye there is also the annoying layer of "oh, I'm too busy writing about MY stuff to read (as in properly review and/or sign) other people's stuff.