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diana_coman: mircea_popescu, you mean
they imported it from old church books or what?
mircea_popescu: this is how moldovan philology goes 90% of
the
time,
too :
they preserved an old
thing, generally older
than muscovy, rather
than import it.
mircea_popescu: im serious
though, it's likely old slavonic as a source. certainly not russian import
diana_coman: I had a few colleagues at uni bucharest; re language my observation was
that
they mixed ro and ru (not words per se but rather languages as a whole)
to such degree
that result was at worst not-understandable, at best hysterical indeed; sort of saying "ulita" (because of Russian "ulita" obv)
to huge boulevard comes
to mind but it's not
the only
thing
mircea_popescu: and generally it was a great place
to buy a coupla girls for a dozen lycra stockings, back in
the 90s. by now...
mircea_popescu: diana_coman hey, i'm not proposing it's uninhabited or anything. good food, largest old collection of wine in europe (meanwhile im sure looted, but i did eat 1800s wine marmalade in
their incredibly huge cellar
that
takes fucking semaphores is so big)
diana_coman heard
they were very, very
talented... acrobats! even had huge circus built in USSR
times because of
that; dunno if
that's enough
though...
mircea_popescu: the official
truth is
that "Everyone keeps invading",
the sad
truth is
that nobody really wants it.
mircea_popescu: very heavily dependent on russian support
to continue existing, and ro sure as fuck doesn't want ANOTHER moldavia on its budget
mircea_popescu: anyway. moldavia doesn't stand a fucking chance, on its own. it's a sort of argentina, no industry whatsoever, no young people left
to slave on
the farms, it ain't got jack.
mircea_popescu: because if you do
that,
there sure as fuck won't be any new ones either.
mircea_popescu: not you know, about burning every last paki in
the island.
mircea_popescu: uk "extreme right" "fascists" are derping on about... how
there shouldn't be... NEW immigrants.
mircea_popescu: THAT is not on any flat surface, because
that's
the fucking characteristic of
these young protesting shitheads : stick
to ineffectuality.
mircea_popescu: amusingly,
the ro govt was very lax with
their immigration ; until euros got all pissy about it, so
they closed
the border. a coupla years later... euros decided everyone must
take in random syrians.
BingoBoingo working on digesting hundreds of meters of vocal
track
mircea_popescu: somehow it's directly hysterical
to
the mainstream romanian ear.
mircea_popescu: there's even hookers born and raised in bucharest doing
the accent for dubious
tv shows.
mircea_popescu: well
to
this day i expect
the ancient amusement of "get a moldovan hooker at a party, make her strip and
talk" still continues.
mircea_popescu: moldovans are orcs and not as romanian as
they'd like, which is why chisinev spoken romanian sounds like embalmed ion creanga.
mircea_popescu: yes, which is how
they ended up maintaining
the phonetic influence of
the old russkis.
mircea_popescu: nah, it all opened and softened.
true slavic would be in eg... finland.
mircea_popescu: ivan'd definitely behead people over
their shitty speech if he came back
to moscow of
today.
mircea_popescu: this is because russian isn't as slavic as it used
to be.
trinque: BingoBoingo: will get ya
tomorrow night.
mircea_popescu: i is easily
the most fluid vowel in romanian, it really hides about half dozen distinguished forms of which about half are actually notated.
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traveling from
tomorrow until wed. in-bot wallet ops will be working fine during
that
time, but I'll be unable
to process withdrawals while out. any queued will be sent wed night.
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mircea_popescu: (many 4 vowels are actually
tripthongs because of syllabic considerations. leoaica, voiau, etc.)
mircea_popescu: whole fucking language consists of vowel counting for
the native speaker.
mircea_popescu: anyway, as far as
the foreigner speaker is concerned,
the pons asinorum is mastering
the ɨ/i and ə/a dychotomies.
takes failure rate from 100%
to maybe 60% just liek
that.
then
the dypthongs/tripthongs/quadriphtongs (yes, romanian has
that). contrary
to intuition,
the special consonants are not difficult.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu,
that would have made her master seller or something; bird-pedo with an "injured idiot" fetish?
mircea_popescu: mother hen should have sold injured chick
to a pedophile, flew first class with
the other one off
the dough.
ben_vulpes: one month on guitar, one on ru is sorta my pattern
there
☟︎ diana_coman: mircea_popescu, lol! fwiw I kind of
trashed "puiul"
to start with: stated
that mother-bird was idiot as she should have either
taken chick on her back or otherwise leave earlier ffs
mircea_popescu: diana_coman maybe
they were doing it later across
the mountains :D :D :D
mircea_popescu: this is moar like ww2. whereas parma had regrets in
the 1700s as well.
mircea_popescu: anyway. let it be stated
that if your story's going
to "happy end" it's not even worth writing ; clearly you understood nothing of nothing.
mircea_popescu: italo calvino somewhat an echo for
the contemporanous reddit ; but otherwise
the kingdom of
two sicilies excelled, before "italy industrialized" post ww2.
mircea_popescu: aha.
the "leftover" italians had plenty of good stuff.
mircea_popescu: ppl
think oh noes, huxley wrote up
the alienation of
the final stages of socialist decay ? hurr.
try cezar petrescu.
mircea_popescu: ^ item was in first year of writing. mandatory week spent by 9yos
trying
to write it out without staining
thje paper.
diana_coman: asciilifeform,
tinerete fara batranete si viata fara de moarte
mircea_popescu: the original hc andersen matchbook girl being among
the few foreign items marginally qualified
to pariticpate.
mircea_popescu: the important point about romanian kids stories is
that
they're not even bleak,
they're penned by fucking chulhu.
they regularily make adult anglo girls cry for
the rest of
the night.
mircea_popescu: closed borders are a mixed blessing. all
the shit has
to be "translated", etc.
diana_coman: aha; authors include mihai jemaneanu, octav pancu-iasi, vladimir colin, vasile manuceanu,
tudor arghezi, emil garleanu, stefanescu delavrancea, ion creanga, veronica micle, george cosbuc
diana_coman: this batch of cds I have here are bought in 2015, casa radio again; recordings from 1961-1971, readers Silvia Chicos, Octavian Cotescu, Dumitru Furdui, Dinu Ianculescu, Elena Pop,
Turodel Popa
mircea_popescu: nah, ro consisted of
theft. you should see
the inane lyrics
they stuffed on ~most everything making
the pop charts in
the 70s.
diana_coman: they are
though stories by ro authors, including cosbuc, creanga, delavrancea
diana_coman: hmmm, asciilifeform I bought for my kid a set of cds, again radio romania old
transmissions, "noapte buna, copii" ;
tbh
though
those are 5-10 minutes sort of
things and at
times (now) I find
them a
tad annoying
mircea_popescu: but otherwise sure, what
that great k. ushinsky "povestind copiilor" etc
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, heh,
the old vinyls from my childhood are still in a certain attic in ploiesti...
mircea_popescu: diana_coman if he finds
the old greuceanu etc series for a buck a piece and buys a few buckets he'll have perfectly legitimate us house's worth of collectibles.