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mircea_popescu: IT IS SUPPOSED TO GET THE JOKE
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mircea_popescu: !~google de la foisor pin' la piata traian
mircea_popescu: well, not THE very place, but cluj had its own, "oser".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's in alley right before piaza traian
mircea_popescu: alex__c i expect he just ran into the badea cirtan ad hoc extension.
alex__c: unsure if you're talking about Aurora/Flavia or some other flea market
mircea_popescu: before "vintage" was a thing i used to buy girlies gifts from teh very place. there's something heartwarming about 90yo woman yielding whatever old clock to 16yo hussy for a pataca.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-21 01:18 mircea_popescu: "mult stimate ion caciula, om al muncii fara scula : cit ai degete si limba, legea tarii nu se schimba."
asciilifeform: i immediately thought of the rhyme
asciilifeform: them too ! in overalls !
asciilifeform: this place apparently is judenrein so gypsy folx had to pick up the slack.
mircea_popescu: it's this fascinating "market of the world". great item to have nearby.
mircea_popescu: (the jewish ghetto is an older item than the german state, for the record)
asciilifeform: but here is was hilarious how obviously filched some of the items were -- wireless 'house' phones with only handset, no base, faceplates of car stereos, etc
mircea_popescu: yeah, actually, the flea market was a major component of ghetto jew identity.
asciilifeform: i'd beg father to take me there every saturday
asciilifeform: early '90s odessa 'old horse market' sold from live rabbits to icbm guidance block components
mircea_popescu: mmm. that's a flea market you.
asciilifeform: next to the vegetable market
mircea_popescu: where is this ?
asciilifeform also found the 'black market' today, where gypsies sell questionable shit, lotsa lulzy pics
asciilifeform fiddles with the terminal to the tune of pet practicing ro-fu
mircea_popescu: poland about twice the size. at least ideally.
mircea_popescu: well... poland tried not letting, ended up partitioned how many times ?
mircea_popescu: anyway. they also "let" russian army division occupy same. romania's very letty.
asciilifeform: lol the time to kick ustards was prolly before the time of letting usg army division occupy the sea shore, eh
mircea_popescu: the entirety of the objection is that rogozin was nongrata in washington not in bucharest.
asciilifeform: it isn't as if they'd kicked out some independent d00d
mircea_popescu: how about they kick out a few ustards ?
mircea_popescu: except this was in no sense romanian.
asciilifeform: agents of foreign crowns are traditionally fair game for 'nongrata' tho, neh
mircea_popescu: afaik the only one to ever get hassled by that was rogozin.
mircea_popescu: the only problem is that they kick out the threats to usg.
asciilifeform: if this fruit ain't it, then who is.
asciilifeform: i was reading the citizenship rtfm talmud and it said clearly, 'threats to national serenity can be kicked out' or what was it
asciilifeform: holy fuq why haven't they thrown this d00d out !
asciilifeform: 'The guy can get his day in court if it wasn’t he who did this but I’m damned glad to see the Romanian general public take her side in this and not just laugh it off.' << waaat
asciilifeform: it's believable in the newton's laws sense .
asciilifeform: from old england , for what it was worth, to old japan
asciilifeform: and is the common thread of civilized life everywhere
mircea_popescu: and in general -- the less protected the poor, the more useful and pleasant the poor. and vice-versa. the worst thing you can do for a place is "prosecute assault" on the non-elite.
mircea_popescu: the FACT that poor people are not protected from assault by the state means that poor people are pleasant and polite.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have only foggy notion of the reason, beyond 'no welfaristan, so no niggers'
asciilifeform: also for BingoBoingo , ben_vulpes , other usaschwitz inmated, i will point out that the experience cost me about $2 .
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform see, here's where pantsuit idiots a la "sam the more romanian than you" get it wrong. the REASON!!! there's nobody annoying, harassing, robbing etc is... guess ?
mircea_popescu: yes. the place you describe, btw, is prolly "bad curtain" mentioned afore.
asciilifeform: or the fact that the air smelled like pines and not like exhaust, or shit, or mcfood ?
asciilifeform: does mircea_popescu have any idea how atypical all of this is for usa ?
asciilifeform: this notional decay, from asciilifeform's unarmed eye it is 100% notional, i went to a motherfucking tiled market thing today, bought cheese that was actually cheese, old women shoved delish samples, all in all maybe 400 grams, in my face, and put it on bread from next stall that was actually bread, and ate it by the canal side, and sat next to randos on bench, and nobody harrassed, robbed, or even
mircea_popescu: where the only incentive is to be an idiot, aged 16 to maybe 19, as you won't live to 30 anyway.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform usg took opposite tack : instead of allying with underworld elite to keep underworld wanna-bes harmelss, it allied with underworld wannabes to "remove corruption" bla bla. as a result they got the orc cycle, as well explained by lafond and many others.
mircea_popescu: this sort of thing WORKS. and it did work. and it made for pleasant police and happy sluts everywhere.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, i do beleive that;'s the only way to run things. heck, romania has NO JAIL for vehicular manslaughter to this fucking day, iirc.
mircea_popescu: well it wouldn't be visible to teh naked eye of civillian in a day.
asciilifeform: this is not visible to naked eye here. i do have 14 hrs of bucharest planned so maybe will see it there.
mircea_popescu: these days... slowly decaying into the usual french fare.
mircea_popescu: now, this worked fine in the 90s, when the statal motherly "please don't do it" was backed by my "motherfucker if i see you again ima use you for fish bait".
mircea_popescu: the thing with romania is that essentially there isn't a penalty for anything. just please don't fucking do it.
asciilifeform: iirc in ru rubber-shooters vanished after it was made clear that penalty is exactly same if 'patient' bites it
mircea_popescu: eh, kids. what do they know.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-26 16:10 diana_coman: mircea_popescu, what would be the link? my obs is that it's more whether drink is something that goes with meal and at any time or just something "special" aka binge idiocy
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-26#1729238 << usa is set 100% to 'binge' mode ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-26 15:58 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-26#1729201 << oh god almighty, if they only started arresting romanians for bad parking. this is like arresting indians for poor hygiene, or native americans for drunkedness.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-26#1729229 << d00d was some sort of german whatever GMbH courier. inside atrociously parked van was a wife-like thing, looking on ☝︎
mircea_popescu: myeah. anyway, so that's a round statement of the story, in that it's not missing anything but details.
mircea_popescu: problem is what you want and what you need are rarely the same.
asciilifeform: hitler is giving the infinite icecream lottery winner, ostensibly exactly what he wanted.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the situation is not stable, in the sense usg can't administer all this immense government with huge industrial interests in everything. which is why even china is giving it a run for its money.
asciilifeform: 'money as in infinite ice cream' vs 'money as in control of means of production' or how did old trilema put it.
asciilifeform: and that's all that, e.g., brin, wanted
asciilifeform: d00d whose steel works get nationalized -- gets token payoff, warm place to shit
mircea_popescu: whenever the poor get a voice, the world goes to shit and socialism is what's left.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suspect that this switch followed inevitably from ' i just want to get rich because comforts ' switch
mircea_popescu: but in any case, the process is wildly successful -- the whole "oh noes, corporate responsibility, banks stole our money" went exactly nowhere FOR THE EXACT REASON the usg "banks" play the role of the soviet planning committee. such can do no ill, by definition of state in socialism, and so... they WILL be rescued, with "money" freshly printed.
mircea_popescu: which is shockingly dumb, and also what tmsr is intended to end.
mircea_popescu: the process was apparently well received by "the society", which is to say poor people. exactly like in the original nazi and soviet implementations. except while in the first two the elite actually fled, in this last one the elite is playing the inept game of "i wonder if i can make a steelworks so successful hitler actually steals it from me".
a111: Logged on 2017-10-26 15:57 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-26#1729197 << imagine, you know. contraband cheese sting operations. this is what teh taxpayer wants his money spent on, and somehow no nubbins is on hand to explain better.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-26#1729227 << there's a 2010s pc game, where you preside over generic 'iron curtain' apartment block, and get various orders from kgb, e.g. 'root out tenants who read english books', but also had 'apples have been prohibited, storing or eating them is punishable'. i immediately pictured fda. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: that if your google is successful, your google belongs to usg. which it was, and does.
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's still an open thread god damned it. so re "in the hope they'll achieve usg agency status" above : the final socialism, usg's "ourdemocracy" came up with a gamified nationalization process : they naturally confiscate the domain leaders in all domains, under the guise of you know, "pension fund investments" and "consumer protection law enforcement". ie, there's a faux money and a faux legal prong which make sure ☟︎
asciilifeform: well not a role in tmsr, at any rate. potentially as a sort of kindergarten, or slave pit, where you can see the heads and pick out promising larvae potentially
asciilifeform: and that reddits, as a class (i.e. system designed for rando-rando interaction) dun really have a role
a111: Logged on 2017-10-26 15:53 mircea_popescu: it might be useful for the republic once there's enough publishing thoroughput we have to actually consider limiting access to deedbot rss ; that moment is many years away yet.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-26#1729222 << i picture that at that time there will be a meaningful l3+ ecosystem ☝︎
mircea_popescu innocently tried to comment on logline, ended up writing a book.
mircea_popescu: the similar "technology! science!" gamification of the democrat party failed "surprisingly" to everyone in the "technology! science! mit is the foremost institution in the world without running water!" camp, but otherwise doh.
mircea_popescu: and the examples could continue, SV has been trying to move away from "content generation" into "real world performance", with major blow-ups like groupon ("sign up for free meals and if we get a lot of you we'll try and parlay this into a sort of communist walmart"), or with slow-burning shitpiles like uber, airbnb etc. in the end, the same truth controls : you've no user-generated real world performance because the real wor
mircea_popescu: which they imagine is an "advertising model", but it's directly and quite evidently a burning of the couch.
mircea_popescu: eld-of-the-future/#footnote_3_53044 : "oh you used to get large values of GOOD ITEM freely ? well no more. would you like to pay us to get them again ?"
mircea_popescu: meanwhile facebook started as a "put your crap on this alt-myspace and check out the large numeric values printed to GOOD THING". basically, facebook was one of those "webvisitors counters" except in a more skinner-y scheme. recently they dropped the bait and are essentially trying to capitalize on what's known in economy as stickiness, the exact same psychological tendency as discussed in http://trilema.com/2014/the-battlefi
mircea_popescu: t space", in the hope they'll achieve usg agency status. which went nowhere, but then again there's no such thing as a buried corpse in socialism. it's not just craig wright that's still perambulating ; the original founder of webvan is still about. his business idea ? WEB POWERED DELIVERY OF GROCERIES! yes, 20 years later. no such thing as a burian in socialism.
mircea_popescu: anyway, back to the bait and switch thing. reddit started life as a sort of 4chan with a jump, ie the little girl's not on the page, but you have to click. this wasn't accidental, because their phase 2 ("growth phase" eh) consisted of the exact value proposition : add your crap to reddit, watch people click on it. once growth stopped they dropped the bait, switched to "we will control the conversation in this ever-so-importan ☟︎
mircea_popescu: there's this ancient http://trilema.com/2011/cred-ca-pe-alocuri-se-exagereaza/#selection-67.167-67.603 making roughly the same point : "there's no such thing as user generated content because the content generators aren't your users, they're content generators ; and your users aren't content generators, they're users, and not even that dedicatedly yours."
mircea_popescu: kinda the perpetual bait and switch of "world changing" silicon valley "businesses" in the "industry" aka websites for the rest of the world, still vying for the supposedly valuable "UGC". except for the part where there's no ugc nor would it be valuable, all's well.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-26 13:47 diana_coman: asciilifeform, I'm not very knowledgeable on reddit but I thought it was something where people asked questions and then their comments were voted up/down ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-26#1729212 << no that thing is experstsexchange. reddit originated as a sort of fark, "look at this cool pic" tho it originally was more like original wikipedia, "look at this cool pic of a 6 yo with her mother's toenail polish bottle up her snatch" ; migrated into a sort of livejournal "write lengthy pieces of nonsense so everyone's tulpas can pompously opine on it" sometime in the mid 2010s. ☝︎
diana_coman: whether he hugs or stabs when drunk is a matter of what ails him; but whether he can do it whatever it is , is the point
mircea_popescu: i have very much noticed they can't talk to girls at all these days, wherein a coupla decades ago couldn't without a coupla shots.
diana_coman: he can't probably stab you either for that matter