asciilifeform: when i was doing the passport question homework, saw requirement 'prove that you have where to live' and 'prove you have income' . the former requires a title or lease in own human name; the latter - bank acct.

asciilifeform: ( and yes there was mircea_popescu's http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-25#1728731 thread . which left me with a flavour of 'real estate ownership ain't even a thing any moar, unless you can personally afford to pay an army' ) ☝︎

asciilifeform: also afaik you still need a saecular bank in the loop to buy real estate there. ☟︎

asciilifeform: there's maybe 3 people who i trust to be physically present in a room where i bring a btc privkey. and none of them live in ro. ☟︎

asciilifeform: ( and yes this is physically possible without banks, if your wot is developed enough to subsume the function of banks etc. but mine ain't )

asciilifeform: to convert btc to food/real estate, say.

asciilifeform: it's a pederasty that lasts for so long as i have only usa passport.

asciilifeform: if my name is in its papers anywhere -- then yes ☟︎

asciilifeform: in this sense they 'beg' in usa likewise, lol

asciilifeform: ( see thread earlier )

asciilifeform: and most eu banks won't open one at all if the only passport you bring is usa

asciilifeform: per treaty of 2015.

asciilifeform: at least in the usual sense

asciilifeform: diana_coman: i can move right now, what i can't do there is have bank acct

asciilifeform: i'm back at my console & can answer in more or less realtime so dun hesitate to ask, mod6 .

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1730923 << it's more or less academic to asciilifeform , who is not a moneyman ☝︎

asciilifeform: the one in ro, for instance, appears to need 8 yrs of hanging around with usa shitpassport; 4 if you have 1e6 eur to sacrifice

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-31#1730566 << per asciilifeform's research, 'residency' is pretty easy to get just short of anywhere. the 1 gotcha is that you need an actual new passport if you want to be rid of usa pederasty, and those are separate and harder puzzle. ☝︎

asciilifeform brb, teatime

asciilifeform: ( i cannot say ‘nobody’ because did in fact see an old fat gypsy at the veggie market, selling cabbages )

asciilifeform: phakt: ~nobody fat in timişoara

asciilifeform: can try , say, ro

asciilifeform: and i dun need ukrs for anything, even to visit. there’s mcdonalds on every street nao.

asciilifeform: asciilifeform’s home town is under ukrs nao

asciilifeform: cazalla: do tell, if this happens