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mircea_popescu: this scheme'd massively help your cognitive impairement.
mircea_popescu: your issue is you keep creating these unrequitted love relationships withj employers.
mircea_popescu: Mocky people get fired all the time, who gives a shit.
mircea_popescu: no. because already, you sit on ass not hunting for jobs while mocky isn't doing any work.
mircea_popescu: nah. you're the only one that picks those sets of tickets.
mircea_popescu: look, "short latency", what's that mean ? either it means you're cutting carrots one at a time, or else it means you don't, therefore perfectly possible to have a specialist phone robot.
mircea_popescu: you're so fucking obstructive, it's almost like your second nature in some fields.
mircea_popescu: programmers are whores, but usually under a roof, not on the street.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i expect you're not hired out in stretches of fifteen minutes, like starvation whores.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nothing wrong with still providing the bindings. what, so hard to pick up phone ?
mircea_popescu: i know this exists, whole outfits predicated on this scheme.
mircea_popescu: Mocky i suspect "local job" is by now thin wrapper over "social security handout"
☟︎ mircea_popescu: whoever feels like doing some saeculum work that day draws a ticket.
mircea_popescu: have a team of specialist appliers to jobs, dump all the task in some flatfile for you folks to pass around encrypted, and that's pretty much it.
mircea_popescu: it occurs to me, pending how well this goes, that we could have a bourbaki
mircea_popescu: "why does joe have voucher hospital x accepts where moe does not ?" "cuz visa black platinum blalblabla" "wut ?" "his employer is in the wot and vouches for him!"
mircea_popescu: ie, empire is doing exactly what we're discussing here, just, ineptly.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile "money" in the dubloon sense is going away (certainly away from the hands of the plebs) to be replaced by... abstract version, plastic, db-money. so how does new man pay for doctor ? oh, he gives to hospital ~the voucher his place of employment gave him~.
mircea_popescu: it's stupidly kept "closed", but what do you want to know when talking to a doctor ? "the list of previous cases plox" right ? ie "wot ?"
mircea_popescu: think about it -- they "pay" doctors, in fredericus rex dubloons, while they ALSO insist they... do what ? document their work, yes ? ie, construct the basis of wot-based payment.
mircea_popescu: it seems to me what has happened here was, a certain notion of money got shoehorned into evolving practice with nary a thought given to what works how.
mircea_popescu: and i suspect this fundamental intuition is what drives a lot of high socialism (like high protestantism, the nonsense among intelligent folks, as opposed to low) -- the intuition that the 1800 notion of money, perfectly adequate as it is for concretes, utterly fails on abstracts and what one needs is a lot more abstracts than concretes.
mircea_popescu: ie, he wants sufficient claim to fame as to make the "i'd like to live rather than die" proposition defensible. he doesn't even want money as such at all
mircea_popescu: he wants ~to be able to get other professionals to help him when he needs it~, he doesn't want "more dough" specifically and as such.
mircea_popescu: it is very fucking dubious to imagine market will "find price" to tell naggum how much of his code-juju he has to give up to doctor.
mircea_popescu: it's perfectly find to "let market find price of steel hull ship".
mircea_popescu: but the 1900s gold dubloons do NOT work for this. because lines of code, or "eyeballs upon cell cultures" are NOT like barels of fish.
mircea_popescu: and if you answer this, you necessarily answer "how to value work" as well as "what meaning has king's arbitrarity" and so on.
mircea_popescu: so this is what i thought we were discussing -- "some inefficiency necessarily part of world". yes, agreed -- but how much ?
mircea_popescu: (if you get that x ray machine delivered, you can tell what % of socket power it wastes)
mircea_popescu: and don't tell me "money". money is eminently broken in handling all this, proof positive being that if you get a hospital bill you can't say if it's correct or not
mircea_popescu: at this juncture, if the king falls ill every doctor in the realm will crowd the palace, and if the provincial governor of taiwan happens to need apendectomy he might even die.
mircea_popescu: suppose suppose the lordship owns the world, in all particulars, entirely. the last rebel was long ago executed. i can write to any and all doctors, "hey, please X". so can you. so can etcetera.
mircea_popescu: i don't think you were following my "suppose". let's do over.
mircea_popescu: ie, "yes, that's untenable, but no this is stupid (and ultimately also untenable), so..."
mircea_popescu: however you call it. but it seems to me, which was the original driver, it seems to me naggum's dilemma illustrates a missing chunk rather than anything else.
mircea_popescu: believe this or not, i reach such levels of chinese emperorhood.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ah, that's not at ALL what was meant by "resistive loss". what was meant was, some labour wastage will occur through guy A getting 1.epsilon the work he needs while guy B getting 1-epsilon and perhaps dying for it.
mircea_popescu: yeah, that's a whole other can of intricate strange. i wasn't gonna address it till as you say, some l1 folks move on.
mircea_popescu: the above "question of valuation" as well as the "it'd better make sense" readily translate into "give me resistive loss formula".
mircea_popescu: in short : the current system of allocating labour is offensively stupid ; and the rudiments of what we have here promise to work. but so far... spreading dun work!
mircea_popescu: consider this taken to extremes : suppose the lordship's a few hundred, ie the most it can ever possibly take, and each are castles with hundreds of knights within and so on.
mircea_popescu: this is nice and dandy -- until someone actually needs some work of their own.
mircea_popescu: it is certainly a good thing emperor of china is not gifting taiwans right now. but the matter remains -- the reward for good work is generally more work in the same vein.
mircea_popescu: taiwan will have to have a governor, and i will do what ? name the most capable ? the most bored ? suppose we do the medieval thing and separate the work from the benefice. then who gets the latter ? and so on.
mircea_popescu: consider tomorrow emperor of china writes in, wants to give taiwan to republic as peace gift.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the decision'd better make sense, which is to say, meaningful rather than arbitrary.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that is ~exactly~ what i'm leveraging : ALL abstractions are "closed-source" by their very nature -- witness how cats don't read them. then let's use this natural barrier to select the future lordship.
mircea_popescu: given a set of ("the place formerly known as sudan", "a monopoly on aviation", "the empire state building") and ("has written proper sgml", "heroically reversed bolix stack","found way to write without getting out of bed"), which is the correct matching ?
mircea_popescu: the only remaining open problem is, of course, valuation.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sadly we'll never know what he'd have said, avik got to him first.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo there's little sadder in creation than overstretched underachievers, "oh, i got perfect sat scores" "why ?"
mircea_popescu: so to sum all this up : naggum is right in that what he does can't be free. naggum is wrong in that the tangible expression of abstracts could have value (what next, doctor supports self by selling ultrasound drawings ?!) ; and moreover closed code in the copyright/microsoft sense makes the slaves&harem&wot world impossible.
mircea_popescu: this is not ~formally~ what happens, for purely coincidental reasons. it is ~fundamentally~ what happens, which is why it's important.
mircea_popescu: doctor goes "well... i guess i could sleep... but i dun feel like it... or i could farm... meh farming... let's see if there's something interesting to do".
mircea_popescu: because that's not a state of mind conducive to doctoring in the first place.
mircea_popescu: doctor does not sit in er room going "i hope someone shows up or else i starve".
mircea_popescu: it's not that you don't expect it ; it's that you don't need it.
mircea_popescu: the thinking by which you hope to pay the bills, that's how you get C and mass marketed "films".
mircea_popescu: but because "eh, whatever, fridge's too full anyway, let's do somethjing interesting today".\
mircea_popescu: it's a case of wheel powering engine again. all abstract work is a surplus phenomena because the surprlus predates the work. not because "we're poor, but we hope to pay the bills by thinking".