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BingoBoingo: There doesn't seem to be any non-Gossip protocol solution to DDoS. As far as I can cleave the problems right now Latcho/Antel's inept handling of DDoS is one problem. Denying cheap cover to DDoS'r is other problem.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i would also like to find a solution that is cheaper than 'switch continents' . but 'cloak bots and pray to satan that enemy doesn't realize that he already knows the piz ip range' aint any kind of solution !! at all
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you do understand that even if your idea re 'it's a irc ddos bot' is factual , it aint any kind of solution to ddos ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this is how the current bot logs in. however it dun work with cloaks (except apparently for old accts, e.g. mp's)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Per their docs it should work without sslism per http://archive.is/dm0Z0#selection-181.30-191.59
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i aint about to use sslism.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: There are 2 problems here. 1. ISP falls over 2. Uncloaked bouncer means sophisticated attacker can masquerade as lazy sparrow farting attacker
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: listen, the whole 'oh but uncloaked' thing is ridiculous. what, this is isp that falls down when a sparrow farts on it ?!
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: it's still nullrouted atm, will poke them.
asciilifeform: was up for <1min then dead again
BingoBoingo: Most of Pizarro is back. Now we have to figure out how to bring 2 Rockchips and dulap back without them autoconnecting to Freenode cloakless
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: keep the heat on the arse.
BingoBoingo: I still have to ask what other carriers are available.
asciilifeform: ( evidently somewhere do exist 'serious adult' carriers, i.e. where mp_en_viaje parks his box. but for some reason he sent BingoBoingo to uy, and not to there )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I intend to pointedly ask what other carriers might be more responsive.
asciilifeform: why ty mp_en_viaje .
asciilifeform had similar wtf coupla yrs ago, ended up tracing it to bug in the oddball ~keyboard~ controller he was using
mp_en_viaje: aite well... i guess ima bdsm partay nao. best of luck to the beached galley crew!
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: this may be, but asciilifeform does not yet know on what level of the idjit pyramid took place this particular idjicy.
mp_en_viaje: not from this pov at any rate.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i've yet to witness this oddity, where page reloads when link clicked
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, there's a state monopoly on data transfer. can't have meaningfully diff dcs.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not only mp_en_viaje has point, and yer gonna have to talk w/ latech , but is high time to find out what other dc exists in that orcistan, lt's can't be the only 1 ( if it were, would be dangerously close shave in itself, to be had over a barrel )
mp_en_viaje: um... doesn't seem to load. is this affected by pizarro ?
mp_en_viaje: yours does not reload the page on clicking a link ; hers does
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: heavy page, low mem ? cannot say, but doubt that it is connected to which logotron ( diana_coman's box is running same item as mine was when went down )
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, possibly. why would it behave differently tho
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, so far thing doesn't seem all that kosher. i dunno wtf sense this makes, but a sit down with them will hafta happen cuz obviously pizarro's dead in the water like this
mp_en_viaje: in other minutia, since i'm using diana_coman 's logviewer i notice that ancient behaviour of, if you click on a link on the page page is reloaded came back. asciilifeform 's viewer does not do this for some reason.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i've had the suspicion since august that these people are overselling their bw.
BingoBoingo: I'm going to draft an inquiry for the business side contact asking what can be done to keep routine internet weather from incurring a reaction far more destructive than the weather. Will post for review before issuing. In the latest news from the tech team http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=QSzj
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: couldja share what it was you said to the latech derps ? cuz i'm getting the impression that you left'em with impression that it is somehow acceptable to nullrout a paying customer's ip block.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-04 17:32:32 diana_coman: asciilifeform: uhm, how does that reasoning go? they fire less at my box because one box or what? anyways, is there at least any concrete communication from piz's data centre re what they are doing otherwise exactly?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 14:41:51 asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940177 << i oughta expand re this. ddos is cheap but not free, if the 1e6 or whatnot winblowz boxen were evenly split to piss into 20 diff addrs, would not amount to much effect. so traditionally rotates, e.g. 3min to 1, then to next, and so on, in circle.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940190 << look, the sort of shit here discussed is https://www.bootyou.net/ sorta ~nothing. if it actually does put you on the fritz, and the hoster starts whining about "attacks" and whatnot, you just need a real hoster.
mp_en_viaje: trilema.com/2009/progresam-maria-ta/][obscure idiots from timisoara] "had 10`000 visits in the first three hours" on meta-piece discussing muh whores (which he doesn't realise YET, such an informed moron he is), and the dc called him because of SERVERS (plural).
mp_en_viaje: actually, i guess it's lulzyrelevant. the "Eh, dar dacă pun un articol cu o țâță, cu o bucă, cu o tipă îmbrăcată sumar sau, cum a fost ultimul, cu 2 tipe plimbate în lesă prin oraș…pac, 10.000 de vizite în primele 3 ore, de m-au sunat oamenii de la firma de hosting că ce se întâmplă, că le pun serverele în cap!" passage roughly translates to a) obscure idiotic blog organised by the remnants of [http://
mp_en_viaje: speaking of which, hanbot check out this fucktard : https://tmblog.ro/rahatul-pe-care-l-consumam/#comment-1213
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-04 17:15:13 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i guess this is an illuminative experiment re the q of what it is we actually get for that ( pretty hefty, quite enuff to keep three bus-fuls of orcs in empanadas erry month ) pipe fee. turns out not 200Mb/s , but 'what we feel like aint too hard' ??
asciilifeform had just about same observation as in above, but currently at a loss for actionable idea short of buying a trawler and laying own fibers
mp_en_viaje: but nevertheless, the logs, i have. which is kinda the distinguishing factor between man and child in this sense. if real ddos, there's packet captures. if derpitude, there's words.
mp_en_viaje: they don't mention this, of course, "haha, we're fucked in the head, so loser, totally stupid, tried to ddos trilema but it did not werk, we will now give up everything and dedicate remainder of lives to glorification of this our superior"
mp_en_viaje: otherwise, there's a script kiddy / week or thereabouts, coming to nigh on a thousand by now.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, the fact that trilema doesn't really suffer from "rotating ddos" aka, some dork with a wp list &c, is that trilema is an adult service, rather than a flavour of above mentioned, "virtual server, fiddy bux"
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: any word from these ? even so much as a timetable for getting the service we're paying for ? << Their estimate to call back was half and hour issued 16 minutes before the question
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, in all honesty, so far i can't in the slightest distinguish the spew from the alleged dc from the spew of "virtual server, fiddy bux" provider.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: plox to share the 'undreamy' straight-logic then ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 14:37:17 asciilifeform: mp's www fwiw doesn't seem visibly affected. so prolly not included on the magick list.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940186 << i dunno there's any basis for this dreamy alt-logic.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: phf's logger dun echo. plox to use diana_coman's or lobbesbot
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: any word from these ? even so much as a timetable for getting the service we're paying for ?
a111: Logged on 2019-10-04 20:13 mp_en_viaje: okay, so basically the most favourable idea is uruguay's state monopoly nulled your ips block for you
BingoBoingo: I'm feeling rather sore. http://btcbase.org/log/2019-10-04#1940367 << The other grating idea is they nulled the block at Latecho's request ☝︎
ericbot: Logged on 2019-10-04 20:07:21 mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, who is this upstream i don't get it ? are we not actually renting space from a dc ?
asciilifeform: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940295 << the sea cable doesn't literally terminate in our cage, sadly
mp_en_viaje: okay, so basically the most favourable idea is uruguay's state monopoly nulled your ips block for you ☟︎
BingoBoingo: Outside the WTC "Free Zone" their official registered Uruguay corp goes by PASWER INTERNATIONAL S.A.
mp_en_viaje: https://www.robtex.com/as/as61442.html << same story, minus the (~worthless) claro peerage.
mp_en_viaje: https://www.robtex.com/as/as52241.html#asnr << not that greatly peered, basically antel.
mp_en_viaje: they don't seem to have the sense to put it on the page
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, what's the asn for this dc anyways ?
mp_en_viaje: http://www.latechco.com/en/data-center.html << 404 of all things
BingoBoingo: Their description makes it sound like the whole datacenter was disrupted by the DDoS
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: They say this happened with their international carrier.
mp_en_viaje flicked through the news, no "uruguay offline as result of '''rotating dos''' " items caught my eye.
mp_en_viaje: or is the theory that THE WHOLE DC got cut off, supposedly ?
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, who is this upstream i don't get it ? are we not actually renting space from a dc ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 14:33:09 asciilifeform: diana_coman: if latech is to be believed, it's a rotating ddos
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940178 << this does not actually mean anything. "as far as the doctors can tell it's humoral imbalance". wut ?
BingoBoingo: I just got off the phone, the are working on getting the upstream to remove the block. Should call back in half an hour.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 14:31:54 asciilifeform: diana_coman: that being said, i also suspect that yer box is only standing because piz is taking 90% of the fire
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940176 << was this "fire" presented in any sense ? do you have a packed dump, anything ?
mp_en_viaje: to which the only possible response would be "hasta la vista, tardsteins"
mp_en_viaje: so far the only constructions seems to be "gringos started asking questions about our shitty uptime, let's nullroute their boxes for a day or so and see".
mp_en_viaje keeps diligently reading, and will continue, but so far can't say gleaned much from the exercise.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: indeed. i'm relying on BB to get some fucknig answers (and the pipe, forfuxxsake)
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 14:24:41 BingoBoingo: It seems to depend on how big the incoming crapflood is and how far upstream they have to go to find a sufficiently wide pipe to cut off the crapflood.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940166 << but there's so far no numbers, just epithets. what "big" ? "attacks" is not big.
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/can-you-imagine-what-a-panorama-fartd-be/ << Trilema -- Can you imagine what a Panorama Fart'd be ?!
mp_en_viaje: the problem here'd be that there's only four quarters in each day and with barely thirty days in a month, your uptime comes to... two nines, o rmore precisely 119/120
asciilifeform: the idjicy of the upstream piper seems to weigh 9000x what 'attack' weighed.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo are you alive in there ?!
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: 10:48 new york time .
mp_en_viaje: anyways, in trying to evaluate... duration... i look at http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940161 and wonder... how long since this "nao" ?
asciilifeform: bvt: 180 appears to work (tested for coupla hrs) but may need empirical test.
mp_en_viaje: well then wtf.
asciilifeform: lol why would BingoBoingo ask for such thing
bvt: asciilifeform: on the non-logging bot.py i used for testing my vpatch, i got pings from freenode only every ~140 seconds -- not 30-45 definitely
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 13:58:34 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I trying to start by getting the portions of the range without known, uncloaked IRC bouncers opened up again. From there we continue trying to open things up.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940155 << it's very fucking weird to me, all this "trying" and "attacks" and nonsense. did ~you~ ask them to null route your ips is the idea ?
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-04#1940148 << not afaik the case, mircea_popescu never used ssl. though that may be a grandfathering thing, dunno
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 13:50:07 BingoBoingo: Well, now with cloaks attacker HAS to reveal that they are targeting
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: per the letter of the contract, we are..
mp_en_viaje: i was under the impression you're buying dedicated pipe.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: it's described further downlog -- appears to be the traditional rotating ddos
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-04 13:41:24 BingoBoingo: The cloak is not perfect protection, but it does frustrate the lazy sort of attack we appear to have been struck by
asciilifeform: when i wrote 1st draft of logotron, i initially made mistake where lines were displayed in order of timestamp. even very old logs became an adventure in wtf upon reading
asciilifeform: given how pc clock worx, and the existence of multiple loggers, timestamps in log are somewhere between 'mildly informative' and 'screamingly useless' imho
asciilifeform: ( and to add insult to injury, when importing logs externally, the peer's times are eaten )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: timestamps (both current & historic) are all over the place. cuz clocks are shite.