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mircea_popescu: turns out a bunch of pakis trafficked white girls as young as 12 by the thousands, for the reason of being white. which was concealed by the brits.
asciilifeform: onlooker: there's a fella who's been sitting in front of the u.s. 'white house' since 1982.
onlooker: I have a son, he's 9 months old, I have to change his nappy, he doesn't respect math, time, copyright or patent. He's poor. My nephew is 12, he has no money of his own, but he has a computer, mines his own coins, and although they are not worth much, he's able to participate, He can't participate in Banking, he's not even allowed to use his own account ☟︎
asciilifeform: if you think that you can do it from a textbook, think again.
asciilifeform: onlooker: 'math' as this mythological 'sword in the stone' that 'anyone!!!111!!' can just pick up and use, is unfortunately a fiction
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you perceive a difference there ?
mircea_popescu: onlooker one attaches to form, the other attaches to concept. this is a fundamental distinction in any case. see the earlier thread re lost 1800 tech know-how, and the russian z80s.
onlooker: mircea, if you are distinguishing between copyright and patents it seems a petty distinction to me. I put them in the same category, both intend to punish people for copying thoughts and ideas
asciilifeform: it is a thing that barely exists outside of the chore of shoveling spamola
asciilifeform: consider a circa-1990s email box
asciilifeform: the 'gurl with 1000 beta' is pretty clear, though it is a case of '1,2,3,infinity'
onlooker: at least Bitcoin is giving a larger voice to some
mircea_popescu: in this view the nsa spying is more a required public service, like emergency health care.
onlooker: mircea popescu, exactly and I wouldn't put you in the same category either despite your claim that you are a defacto banker. Anyway, I won't pay for your work, despite admiring your lovely way with language. I just feel that the one thing you miss is that you are not the only one able to come up with genius. Did one person invent the light globe? Copyright seems to say yes, but then the history of the victors is nothing new
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1231494 << this is actually a great fucking point. buncha immature twerps acting out their life like they're in some sort of movie. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: it soothes a psyche an' brings balance.
asciilifeform: and mircea_popescu has a much thicker pedagogic skin to begin with, i dare say
mircea_popescu: eh, i just had the peanut chicken you perhaps remember, and then went for the nude entertainment thing. hard to bother me for a while.
assbot: Logged on 19-07-2014 03:17:34; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if i didn't know any better, i'd imagine we went to uni together. we had 'the same' chick! she bedeviled our number theory prof with at least a hundred very boneheaded questions every lecture. he seethed, boiled, but couldn't throw her out. why? 'registered special needs.' (going for math degree!) she even got unlimited time on exams.
mircea_popescu: onlooker i am de facto a banker, but i doubt the term has any substantial meaning to you past "those meanie assholes that make the house i want cost more than i can afford".
mircea_popescu: but it's not just a "hey, something to try out"
asciilifeform: (this is a thin book, 1980s, inexpensive)
assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 22:53:48; ag3nt_zer0: i did that damn "visualize a quarter" experiment for a couple weeks and whne i finally found one, it was glued to the pavement
asciilifeform: just to get a feel of what it is like
asciilifeform: n6: you will have to think and study on your own for a while.
asciilifeform: n6: since nobody else is standing up to do it, i will tell you the bad news: it appears that you are not yet ready for a source-based linux system
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: unrelated, when did anyone suddenly open a kindergarten in here ?
mircea_popescu: nah, byron was a poseur.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'd say ~yes~. 'find a revenue model that doesn't rely on armed thugs breaking down my door for copying a fucking number, and i never signed any contracts with this fella'
trinque: n6: I'm making a script that puts gentoo on a stick, or any block device really
mircea_popescu: consider the controlling case, as i opposed it to diametric s question back in the day. so quentin tarantino comes in here all upsed about you copying his latest movie. what do i say, "fuck off qt, if you made a movie you didn'ty make that movie" ? ☟︎
n6: trinque, asciilifeform: Would you be able to point me to a place where I can learn how to build lsub on my mac then put it on a usb drive and move it to gentoo so I can get wireless working and make a key?
asciilifeform: 'tis one thing if i was given a secret, swore an other. entirely other thing when i find a number scribbled on the sidewalk and decide to scribble it elsewhere
mircea_popescu: there's a trilema article about that, actually.
assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 22:47:43; ag3nt_zer0: something about the jesus would have been a socialist shit
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1231425 << jesus definitely was a socialist. something something all people something. ☝︎
asciilifeform: which as i understand is the perverse concept that somebody gets to bang on my door and demand gold for copying a number
mircea_popescu: don't be coming to me to relieve you of oaths you took on the theory that you shouldn't have and if you were a better man you wouldn't have.
onlooker: if you fail to keep a secret they you have two choices, you can blame yourself for not keeping it well, or you can blame me and try to enforce copyright
asciilifeform: when i buy a piece of shit from a street merchant i ain't taking no oath.
onlooker: I don't think copyright is the same thing as keeping a secret, if you keep a secret and you keep it well then you don't need copyright
asciilifeform: nah. just object to this kind of thing happening in a consumer setting
asciilifeform: i don't see how it 'is complicated' at all. folks who wanna be paid when i copy a number, get a raging hardon for the state (tm) (r) when it makes noises of promise to make it happen
mircea_popescu: it's not really true. man's no rockerfeller. son of a middling queens landlord is all.
n6: hanbot: sorry I lost my key(Not a person), still trying to fix my lsub issue on gentoo before I make a new one.
mircea_popescu: iirc lost it all in a dubious las vegas casinos transaction with fucking merv griffin.
mircea_popescu: trinque actually trump has been rich for a while.
phf: parsons is quite a character, there's a nice writeup about him and the whole crowley/hubbard connection in "apocalypse culture"
phf: the appocalypse. the details are a bit hazy
phf: i only vaguely remember that talk, because i listened to it under the influence, and at some point i was convinced that i could perform magical rituals, and the only thing keeping me from fundamentally affecting reality was years of societal conditioning that i could at the time overcome. i think i was also at some point convinced that bush was a great grandson of aliester crowley by way of pauline pierce, and that he's going to bring about
ag3nt_zer0: it's no secret that california shares a magickal connection based on the law of correspondences to the Hindu goddess of destruction and the final age of dissolution, Kali... nor is it coincidence that the sun sets on the western world in KaliforniCaitlynJender - Bernardino porno bender blender
phf: ag3nt_zer0: inivisibles is like a popcorn pulp version of pkd, illuminatus and magick. it's a fun read when you're 24, but definitely worth a read through if you're into that sort of stuff
mod6: yah, I left him a note to re-send a patch with a detached sig to the ML. can help or do it for him if required, etc.
mod6: was a gentoo/glibc environement -- compiled buildroot with the musl settings. didn't change anything to the "rotor" steps execept for adding the change to BDB configure options in trinque's message.
mod6: once we have that, and a new patch from trinque, i can complete my script and have a rotor that builds these test bundles with x86-64
mod6: ok. that's my next basic goal. build a patched bundle up through verify-all with rotor.
asciilifeform: not a waste by any means.
asciilifeform: (see ml for example of me doing so for a chain loaded from mircea_popescu)
asciilifeform: also it is possible to hash a blockchain using dumpblock
mod6: so it wouldnt be a waste of my time to proceed in that direction? ☟︎
mod6: (in a "release")
mod6: was thinking that next I'll work on a patched bundle up through -verify all with rotor. and then work ourselves up to a place where we feel comfortable.
mod6: so i don't wanna seem like im replicating work; just trying to clean it up a bit.
asciilifeform: my rotor bundle doesn't come with a stator at all
mod6: yeah. but your bundle doesn't have the right directory structure, and doesn't really have a patching trail or anything.
asciilifeform: (rotor takes a stator)
mod6: asciilifeform: so, what my goal is, short term, is to produce a bundle that (similar to TEST2) is patched up through -verifyall that we can drop into the rotor, and use that for testing next.
pete_dushenski: every day a new maze, then... cheese !
pete_dushenski: being a lab rat isn't world's worst job after all ☟︎
asciilifeform: i also appreciated. how else would we have learned that i am the last one alive with a sane linux install, for instance.
asciilifeform: start the recipe and prod me when you hit a stumble.
asciilifeform: if you can get a bash prompt, you oughta get a working build.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: i know you wrote rotor for a reason, of this there is little doubt, but believe it or not, your instructions aren't dumbed down enough for me
asciilifeform: the reason being that this is a waste of life
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i wrote rotor for a reason
phf: ag3nt_zer0: raw didn't pen principia, that's just a persistent misconception, in FACT it was revealed to trinque in its complete form by the divine mother HERSELF (hail eris!) during some of his particularly strong ACID trips (10 strip, they said it was weak, so he took 6, damn, man, i'm seeing things ain't even come up yet), at which point he traveled back in TIME to spread the good word to the honest people of california. this and much mo
pete_dushenski: but i'm not a doctor.
scoopbot_revived: An Ivy League degree wasn't always a Louis Vuitton purse. http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/08/an-ivy-league-degree-wasnt-always-a-louis-vuitton-purse/
assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 22:01:36; mircea_popescu: you took your life in your hands. if some guy with more men and a whip felt like it... you were meat.
asciilifeform: fella checks his mail once a month..
assbot: BitBet (S.BBET) July 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1hqOrPA )
ben_vulpes: http://trilema.com/2015/bitbet-sbbet-july-2015-statement/#comment-114990 << what is a BTCiii ?
phf: ben_vulpes: so it looks from the log like it's still picking up bullet from somewhere. i updated the repo, so now there's an explicit --without-bullet in the script, if you do brew update and rerun. i tested it by installing bullet and then doing a cs build
ben_vulpes: <trinque> funkenstein_: yes, how could you have a complete model of the thing inside itself? << "to simulate a universe, you must have a universe"
cazalla: how does one humanely kill a whale anyway? it's already outta the water, just get it over and done with and saw that baby up
trinque: which is a level of discipline over one's focus
trinque: same thing a guy's trying to accomplish in zazen
funkenstein_: one does not need a full manual to learn to tweek a few nobs I hope? :D
trinque: funkenstein_: I have; entertaining, though yet again, I question any claims around having a system for consciousness
assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 17:34:56; phf: well, you're not experiencing it directly, and it seems palpable here, in the real world. like i went to a beach a few weeks ago in americatown (ocean city, md) and the vibes are just nasty. sluggish girls with stooped shoulders avoiding any sort of eye contact or making nasty faces at you if you linger on them too long
trinque: funkenstein_: makes sense to me that this would be useful for a brain
funkenstein_: interesting, consciousness as identity. does every thread have a label?
trinque: the one that makes sense to me is that having an identity is distinct from saying you have a model of your own consciousness
trinque: funkenstein_: yes, how could you have a complete model of the thing inside itself?
shinohai: We live in a simulation. I suspect mircea_popescu is funding it.
ag3nt_zer0: prometheus rising is described as an operaters manual for the human brain and is a syncretism of learys 8 circuit brain model , korzybski's langugae theories, quantum gobbldygook, and other brain change shit
trinque: forgive me, but I see a lot of this stuff as a sort of post-christian wankfest
ag3nt_zer0: the earth will shake... the first one... i had a great time reading
trinque: visualize a quarter?
ag3nt_zer0: now when i read some of that stuff it seems only good for a certain stage