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asciilifeform: mod6: congrats, neato, i'ma try it when i wake
mod6: forwarn: just noticed that the nick maxlen is 9. I'll have to recompile, probably tomorrow.
trinque: neato, I'm there
mircea_popescu: diana_coman explain http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-11#1901356 to me. so there's http://ossasepia.com/2018/02/15/eucrypt-chapter-10-oaep-with-keccak-a-la-tmsr/#selection-37.1-37.47 ; now why isn't it usable for v ? i'm missing something here. ☝︎☟︎
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asciilifeform: i wonder from where stole
asciilifeform: they raised the boat btw , and found the ics. i have some of them ( well, not them, but same type ) here. pretty interesting item, moar like ultra-miniaturized smt pcb than what modern folx think of as 'ic'
mircea_popescu: but yes, i'm sure eventually we'll fab.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-13#1902255 << i find it increasingly harder to avoid the thought that computing is going down to bottom of the sea unless and until we fab ☝︎
asciilifeform: i dun have a fab in my kitchen, i promise that would say if i did
a111: Logged on 2019-03-13 22:59 diana_coman: quite; there was a bit of an anger moment when I realised that in school they never even *mentioned* those writings of Caragiale, let alone study them
asciilifeform: but i aint found it yet.
asciilifeform: nao, it ~is~ possible that i'ma rube. and somewhere there's a seekrit base of not-retarded people.
asciilifeform: in sane planet, i could walk into a shop and have motherfucking pcb xrayed for fivebux.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-13 21:41 asciilifeform: i wonder whether usg even bothers to ask ro 'democratic' apparatus when it feels like moving the 'aegis' batteries from place to place
mircea_popescu: nah. i could start steel production in a week, if need be.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-13 21:27 asciilifeform: as for the old shoemaker, admittedly i never wore a crown, but afaik folx who wear crowns do not have the option of saying 'we lost options'. sorta like the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-31#1663960 thing.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-13 21:29 PeterL: trinque: so I am running the cuntoo build script, it seems to have stopped doing anything, the end of the build log http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/whbcf/?raw=true , not sure what to do next here?
mircea_popescu: exact same case of fucktarded "washington press reps dinner" pantsuit meeting ro head, being laughed at. but in the former case gorby was still answering for it ; whereas in the latter i have yet to see the apologetics for ~the failure~.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-13 21:22 diana_coman: I meant it lost its options really; and having an uppity peasant "rule" is not going to change that, only make it likely worse and longer
asciilifeform: i have nfi what sorta battery tito ran on
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-13#1902039 << this was widely admired, whole "third way" 80s wank. i find the proposition dubious, in the sense that it strictly depends on the yugo ~people~ being a certain kind. just the right mix of crazy and dedicated. worked out terribly in 94 too. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-03-13 21:21 asciilifeform: going upstack to http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-13#1902021 , oddly enuff per my reading ro ~was~ sovereign during post-stalin sovok. i.e. routinely pissed right in the mouth of e.g. hrusch, and got away scot-free
asciilifeform: for all i know, 'errybody gets it' at some pt, like errybody dies.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-13 21:18 asciilifeform: england industrialized 'minus communism' but , i'll observe , with quite similar methods , and similar misery
a111: Logged on 2019-03-13 22:44 mircea_popescu: (i also fail to hear these "cultured" fucktards explain how ~exactly the same~ was said of what now makes the glory of austria, that insane dood's palaces)
a111: Logged on 2019-03-13 21:17 diana_coman: i.e. "state property aka nobody's property" and so on
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-13#1902029 << sure. and also, that you went to universitatea politehnica bucuresti, instead of mit. i believe ushinski is way the fuck better than dr seuss, in terms of primary school textbooks, also. and so following. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: that woman, born i'd guess in the 30s, was the daughther.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-13#1902009 << this is VERY much related to the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-13#1901903 discussion. it's not like #trilema was fulla linus, djb, everyone else, and i out of my sheer insane evil meanness negrated them an' forced them out. ☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-03-13 20:59 asciilifeform: on my admittedly short expedition i saw 5 dead factories , and 1 working -- little thing inside of much larger corpse ; and it made gears for bmw
a111: Logged on 2019-03-13 20:49 asciilifeform: c ( or perhaps this ball belongs with dej ? ) maybe 'soft', or maybe thought could not afford to kill %% of his subjects, i do not presently know why not pushed.
diana_coman: they did! "it's so-and-so-saint day, can't work or I'll get the plague"
mircea_popescu: i dunno, in the "public space", whatever.
mircea_popescu: i ran into a lotta these, you know, idle workers who couldn't work because basescu didn't let them.
diana_coman: i.e. look, not as bad as it can be; sure, there is always worse.
mircea_popescu: the argument as i perceived it generally revolves around this "omg, he's the devil!!!"
diana_coman: quite; there was a bit of an anger moment when I realised that in school they never even *mentioned* those writings of Caragiale, let alone study them ☟︎
diana_coman: yes! I had a blast and many chuckles re-reading Caragiale
mircea_popescu: i don't think this was avoidable. like that schmuck whose name's forgotten who wanted to be famous so bad, set athens on fire.
diana_coman: but plesu, liiceanu, dinescu, mungiu etc are equally products of communism and I'd much rather have preferred not hearing of them ever
diana_coman: re stupid my understanding of the usual charge is that he was non-intelligent, not non-smart; clever and shrewd perhaps; then again, this is my "translation" - I don't really know either way, not as if I knew the guy
mircea_popescu: (i also fail to hear these "cultured" fucktards explain how ~exactly the same~ was said of what now makes the glory of austria, that insane dood's palaces) ☟︎
diana_coman: I always rather considered casa poporului among his achievements - at least there is something everyone knows re Bucharest, what do you want now
mircea_popescu: and i fail to hear stupid cunt-pippidi explain "how ugly it is"
diana_coman: I didn't even realise casa poporului was such a reference point in this sense; i.e. ugly well, it's typical era-style, what
mircea_popescu: i'm not saying this is the dood's doing to any degree -- there's a very clear gradient, once the crisis hit, it propagated west to east.
diana_coman: I suspect it's Moscow that was a superlative shithole simply
mircea_popescu: i dunno that he knows what he's talking about. as a factual matter, 1985 living conditions were worse in moscow than in bucharest (and by far worse in bucharest than say cluj, or timisoara)
a111: Logged on 2019-03-13 21:15 asciilifeform: diana_coman: 'didn't get to the part where it gets better' << this is the distinct impression i get . and i suspect on acct of the shoemaker being soft.
diana_coman: that is true; I kept thinking of the inept useless huge buildings , not the hydro and roads
diana_coman: aha, I even said it
a111: Logged on 2019-03-13 20:11 diana_coman: and that's valid for the 1000 bakeries too; I suppose one can argue that it's still an achievement to have bakeries with no bread than to have no bakeries and stale bread but I don't buy it; and note that in the 80's the latest brightest idea (in the same vein, all hail!) was to further do this sort of great "improvement", to wit the communal "neighbourhood kitchen" to get rid of such waste as having individual kitchens in every hruscheba
mircea_popescu: soviets needed a slightly larger ukraine like i need slightly longer nose hairs. they ~did~ however need a friendly romania more than they needed hats.
asciilifeform: near as i can tell, that'd be why
mircea_popescu: im not saying that staying behind and honoring war committments was POSSIBLE for the russians. i suspect -- was not possible.
asciilifeform: dunno that partial differentiation worx in this context. for all i know, if not revolution + stalingrad, then instead http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-13#1902010 . ☝︎
asciilifeform: i.e. idea is 'it'll go like pilsudski and not napoleon' ?
asciilifeform: moar like 'i'ma not stick cock in wasp nest'
asciilifeform: i dunthink the swiss thought 'ohnoez, human'
asciilifeform: so herr hitler shows up and says 'let's you an' i drang nach osten together, howabout'. wai ro elite answrd 'sure' and not 'fuckoff' (like e.g. swiss)
diana_coman: asciilifeform, ^ ; I can't really make it any shorter / clearer than that
diana_coman: makes anything; I mean: talking to the pigs ?
diana_coman: and I'm not actually sure that pointing out "oh, but he was very correctly pointing out to the pigs that they should do something for their food"
asciilifeform: i cannot resist to bite, an' ask, diana_coman , why the '83 adlais 'not elite', but the tail ends of habsburg absentee landlords somehow 'elite'
diana_coman: I wasn't even for a second considering *those* elites, no; as I said: elites were long dead by that time; the thing was precisely that being between them, well, he was asking the fat pigs to actually do something; big surprise they oinked only louder trembling that the food might stop.
diana_coman: I suppose it's even ironic that the work he wanted them to do was by all indications closer to their possibilities; after all he wasn't asking for art or culture but simply for the set number of sentences with the set number of correct words and so on.
mircea_popescu: what elite ? the pliiceanu corps ? that fat pig above ? gunoi dinescu ? laisses, as inept as ceausescu might've been politically, the culturniks were inept ^ inept.
diana_coman: and yes, I can see him easily and predictably as a scapegoat; kids, don't take crown found in the mud just because nobody else wants it
mircea_popescu: the 60s worked signfiicantly better in east berlin than i nwest berlin. the 80s miserably -- but mind that at the time, the russkis were doing ~even worse~.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-13 21:24 asciilifeform: diana_coman: this is where i admit that it is above my paygrade to say just how 'maybe without shoemaker, less worse and shorter' . if there's a way to keep neighbours from turning yer congo into a resource extraction base without marching peasants at gunpoint to city and having'em stand in front of lathes to make kalashes, i do not know it
asciilifeform: i dun expect 'following' would tell one much, unless it is in the sense of 'followed gauleit^H^H^H^H^H^Hpresident and bugged his comp'
diana_coman: I haven't really followed in ages what democratic this and that is going on in there but I doubt there's anyone to ask anyway
asciilifeform: i wonder whether usg even bothers to ask ro 'democratic' apparatus when it feels like moving the 'aegis' batteries from place to place ☟︎
asciilifeform: re sovereignty, i cannot resist to add a legendary tidbit : j. hariton , co-designer of sov nukes with kurchatov , in his last yrs of life was reputed to have uttered 'idiot , eltsin, thinks he is getting red carpet reception in washington because he is some kinda man, rather than because they think he has some of my warheads still in working order'
asciilifeform: what did napoleon(?) say , 'crown fell into mud, so i pulled it out'
PeterL: trinque: so I am running the cuntoo build script, it seems to have stopped doing anything, the end of the build log http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/whbcf/?raw=true , not sure what to do next here? ☟︎
asciilifeform: as for the old shoemaker, admittedly i never wore a crown, but afaik folx who wear crowns do not have the option of saying 'we lost options'. sorta like the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-31#1663960 thing. ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: diana_coman: this is where i admit that it is above my paygrade to say just how 'maybe without shoemaker, less worse and shorter' . if there's a way to keep neighbours from turning yer congo into a resource extraction base without marching peasants at gunpoint to city and having'em stand in front of lathes to make kalashes, i do not know it ☟︎
diana_coman: I meant it lost its options really; and having an uppity peasant "rule" is not going to change that, only make it likely worse and longer ☟︎☟︎
diana_coman: well, england is particularly good at misery making from what I can tell so I'd even grant them that they probably did the misery part even worse
asciilifeform: going upstack to http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-13#1902021 , oddly enuff per my reading ro ~was~ sovereign during post-stalin sovok. i.e. routinely pissed right in the mouth of e.g. hrusch, and got away scot-free ☝︎☟︎
asciilifeform: england industrialized 'minus communism' but , i'll observe , with quite similar methods , and similar misery ☟︎
diana_coman: i.e. "state property aka nobody's property" and so on ☟︎
diana_coman: in terms of communism it was possibly the best communism there ever was, I can readily grant that. My problem is with the fact that it was communism though so...
diana_coman: I can't see any sort of communism that is better.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: 'didn't get to the part where it gets better' << this is the distinct impression i get . and i suspect on acct of the shoemaker being soft. ☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-03-13 16:23 mircea_popescu: diana_coman what, the horses ? the "killed elite" thing would be what, i gh duca ? (and guess what, digging for that reference i also ran into -- apparently there's a piece re the afore mentioned prince)
diana_coman: you know, the other funny thing is that all the Russians I talked to were rather shocked when I described every day childhood in an industrial town of the 80s in Romania; and usually the final comment is "hmmm, Romania didn't get to the part where it gets better". Perhaps though I can't quite see exactly how does it get better given the fundamental trouble.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-13 20:56 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: is exactly what i meant as 'same relation as peasant to his horse', 'it is simply there'
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-13#1901996 -> "it is simply there" was absolutely not the same relation I saw peasant-horse, no ☝︎
asciilifeform: on my admittedly short expedition i saw 5 dead factories , and 1 working -- little thing inside of much larger corpse ; and it made gears for bmw ☟︎
BingoBoingo: I'm becoming rather convinced the common man encounters a psychological failure mode if they aren't scratching the dirt to avoid starvation
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: is exactly what i meant as 'same relation as peasant to his horse', 'it is simply there' ☟︎
diana_coman: asciilifeform, you know, that's the thing that popped at me as soon as I lived for any amount of time in the west: ffs those people do *of their own will and even paying money for* precisely the idiocies that I thought communism was to blame for. So in this sense, Ceausescu "ahead of his time" , marete realizari etc etc; I still think the direction totally wrong so pushing it further doesn't seem like a great achievement to me, that's all.
asciilifeform: c ( or perhaps this ball belongs with dej ? ) maybe 'soft', or maybe thought could not afford to kill %% of his subjects, i do not presently know why not pushed. ☟︎
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I think there what can be said is that it could have certainly be pushed even harder.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i am pleased to inform, we have regular blackouts in washingtonistan, despite 0 industry ( combo of 'errybody has air conditioner' , summer, and 19th c.-style pole wiring - winter )
diana_coman: you know, apparently I was several times unlucky in that - among other things - my hometown was/is an industrial town; which meant for instance that blackouts were very usual (because many powerful industrial consumers and they got priority) while from what I heard in non-industrial towns this wasn't really the case
asciilifeform: shoemaker, near as i can tell, didn't press the point very hard