asciilifeform: i have been to where they juice the cobras.

asciilifeform: ^ but i've always wanted this!11111

asciilifeform: mno.

asciilifeform examines his spratuary, it is nearly empty

asciilifeform: hey, sprats!1111

asciilifeform: how many now ?

asciilifeform: ^ this was the umpteenth copy of deedbot, also

asciilifeform: it isn't even a mega-leap, judicially, these folks knew they were going to meet allah, hence for insurance purposes can be 'suicide'

asciilifeform: presumably 'next of kin'.

asciilifeform: wife went postal with him iirc.

asciilifeform: the precedent is re estate of dead criminal

asciilifeform: it is his estate's

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-01#1474626 << su had a judicial sentence 'with confiscation of property', which was routinely employed, and included ~all~ property of the condemned. usa presently does not have such a sentence - it has 'proceeds and instruments of the crime', and 'restitution', which amount to ~same thing. and soon will be == de jure. ☝︎

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: previous to last night, phf's 'last' link dropped you in an anchored point in time. which, when reloaded, will give you that log page eternally, even if new ones exist.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: see thread from this morning. hashes suck in exactly the way aes sucks.

asciilifeform: in www browsers

asciilifeform: hey it's how my brother and i split candy bars as children.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in usa, there is saying 'market is not invisible hand, but a tentacle - sometimes, rapes'

asciilifeform: until if and when somebody conceives of how to reprocess them into saleable recycled feedstock.

asciilifeform: tru. for some things - no market.

asciilifeform: sure.

asciilifeform: ah, this.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: elaborate re 'different lists' vs 'same lists, ordered differently'

asciilifeform: it is enough to find 1 buyer who has the sack of rubbish on his list. for it to have market worth.

asciilifeform: pointedly not. plutonium is worth $-maxint (to the point that they would pay to have it removed from their house) to most folks. because not in their list. but on market - $maxint.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the solution is called 'market', no ?

asciilifeform: trinque: did you bother to ask the owned ?

asciilifeform: not within order of magnitude.

asciilifeform: fact remains. she has assetz.

asciilifeform: i just find it hard to see young chix as legitimately-i-have-nothing-at-all poor.

asciilifeform: most folks are 'chukcha ain't a reader, he's a writer' and do it anyway.

asciilifeform: verily.

asciilifeform: there is really no such thing as the tool that 'just worx!1111'

asciilifeform: they think 'no serviceable parts...' aha.

asciilifeform: ever meet a bloke whose hammers are red with rust ?

asciilifeform: (on dirigible.)

asciilifeform: holding broomstick.

asciilifeform: giant pineapple, i expect!1111

asciilifeform: and hey, general curtis lemay had to have 'no smoking' sign in airfield explained.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: research lab where one has to explain the criteria of divisibility with 2... <<< aaaaaaaaand guess where i worked !

asciilifeform: (none of you lot concur ?!)

asciilifeform: this was iirc one of the points of disagreement in thread, i saw photo, she was plenty interesting

asciilifeform: complete with yappy-dog.

asciilifeform: the traditional player here is ~old~ woman tho

asciilifeform: she will also write to kgb.... or do i have my continents crossed.

asciilifeform: tru

asciilifeform: yeah but petrocheese is a peculiarly demoocratic bait. muhammed has other bait.

asciilifeform: well somebody gotta load 'muhammed' into the register instead of 'demoocracy'

asciilifeform: sure, after you reflash'em

asciilifeform: l0l

asciilifeform: lol nazarbaev?!

asciilifeform: hola señor popescu !

asciilifeform: 'i will help to connect anyone working on undermining bitcoin with like-minded useful idiots!'

asciilifeform: gold.

asciilifeform: 'I invite capable programmers from anywhere, including China, to help any of the teams working on open source Bitcoin software, whether that is Classic or Core or Unlimited or bitcore or btcd or ckpool or p2pool or bitcoinj.'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu apparently needs a better killing jar ? his butterflies are still flyin' ☟︎

asciilifeform: hell, andreas a still talks

asciilifeform: lel zombie speaks!

asciilifeform: or what, the incas read marx and lenin before building their kolhoz ? ☟︎

asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu socialistoid idiocy comes from lizard brain, not from b00kz. (though it can appear therein)

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-01#1474385 << mircea_popescu whole point is that ~my particular lamp~ is still glowing. (i recently bought one of them tritium lamps, it is a good analogy for this actually) ☝︎

asciilifeform: solvable in polynomial time.

asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: this is sorta like the boojum in rsa, where generating a ~good~ key is nontrivial

asciilifeform: how do you PROVE that a particular instance is not trivially heuristicable ?

asciilifeform: but interestingly no 'respectable' cryptographer is even TRYING, afaik.

asciilifeform: it is even possible that we will never see a proof of whether it exists to be found.

asciilifeform: universe didn't ship with a warranty

asciilifeform: entirely possible!

asciilifeform: this is - so far - a null set.

asciilifeform: note that otp is unbreakable even in ~this~ case.)

asciilifeform: *note that!

asciilifeform: (not that otp is unbreakable even in ~this~ case.)

asciilifeform: from this thread we get a trivial definition of adult cryptosystem: provably unbreakable unless complexity classes collapse.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-01#1474407 << now this is true. ☝︎

asciilifeform: and yes, this was not so in 1940, or perhaps even 1970, but was so through my whole working life.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-01#1474405 << in small american co it is typical for everyone, from ceo to mute mexican janitor, to be 'first-named' ☝︎☟︎

asciilifeform: aha.

asciilifeform: THINK ABOUT IT

asciilifeform: Framedragger: if it's broken, it ain't a cryptosystem now it. in that SOLVING it doesn't prove p==np for fuck's sake.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-01#1474390 << these are 'books' in the same sense that american 'house' is a house, etc. ☝︎

asciilifeform read quite a few things but KEEPS AROUND only the thing worth keeping around...

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-01#1474379 << i never said to preserve the christian crapola or any other other astrologies. ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-01#1474367 << mircea_popescu pounded in this nail, yes ☝︎

asciilifeform: but with this twist.

asciilifeform: Framedragger: it is merely a variant of elgamal

asciilifeform: it is purely an exercise in 'this stumps me, ergo it is cryptographically hard'

asciilifeform: understand that the 'hardness' of all known (and perhaps even any possible) hashes is just as unproven as that of, e.g., aes.

asciilifeform: all we have is a) otp, trivially proven to be impenetrable, high school level exercise b) everything else, being snake oils of varying degrees of toxicity, with c-s being the least noxious known to me presently.

asciilifeform: i personally dug up every publicly accessible resource i could think of, where such a unicorn might live, and found none.

asciilifeform: an adult asymmetric (or symmetric, for that matter) cryptosystem would rely on a mathematical problem of PROVEN complexity class (e.g., np-complete)

asciilifeform: (and i will add that no public implementation wrote it correctly, either.) ☟︎

asciilifeform: it sucks donkey balls.

asciilifeform: nope.

asciilifeform: it STILL, just like all other publicly known asymmetric cryptosystems, relies on a mathematical trap door of UNPROVEN hardness.

asciilifeform: and hence does not require voodoo games with 'padding' etc.

asciilifeform: c-s beats rsa only in that it is provably resistant to chosen-ciphertext attack

asciilifeform: Framedragger: you still don't get it, do you

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-26#1415708 ☝︎

asciilifeform: Framedragger: but i ought to emphasize for n00bs, cramer-shoup is merely the healthiest horse at this glue factory.