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mircea_popescu: ima have diana_coman put
the whole eulora crypto in vpatch form even if we're not yet advanced enough with
the cleaning of codebase
to use v properly.
mircea_popescu: well anyway,
this'd be a great
time
to go
through
the slag, "items
that didn't work list" see what other mpis are in
there
phf: mircea_popescu: i briefly had it, but removed it due
to lack of use (it also predates
the sbcl rewrite, so it was particularly janky code)
mircea_popescu: phf do you have roughly
the equiv of a "feed paste in here" slit for it ?
phf: oooh, well,
that fixes
that
then
phf: or is it? i might've missed
that part
phf: mpi-genesis.tar.gz is not a vpatch
though
phf: but oftentimes when i post a patch something comes up anyway. like
the recent mpi release by asciilifeform is a vpatch, but it lacks a genesis, which breaks all kinds of assumptions (e.g.
the
tree visualizer wouldn't work at all)
mircea_popescu: alright so
then is
this structure deemed seaworthy for a while ?
phf: correct, so far
there's not been any editorializing. even dead vpatches live in
their own patchset
mircea_popescu: so
then, it's more like a sort of curated "Best of" blogposts eh ? you go around reading people's blogs like
the editor of old science mags, going "plox put
this in format for editorial"
phf: manual meaning
that i see a vpatch in any random place, i post it (obviously it benefits me, more content etc.)
☟︎ phf: it is still manual process, and we've had a
thread about it along
the lines of "build it when
there's need"
mircea_popescu: how is vtron currently fed, via email list
thing jurov made ?
phf: well,
that's fine by me, i
think what happened is some other conversation got crossed over into what i was
thinking. alf said you gotta publish,
to which i responded with a very non committal "i'll
think about it". but
there were parts
that i was
thinking of publishing. specifically vpatch parser and presser both of which don't really on external
tools, but accomplish
the whole
thing in memory. might be useful for further vtronics
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how would you see it interoperate ?
there's links in html, is more needed ?
mircea_popescu: what exactly did happen ? phf wrote a fine v parser ; jurov sweated white hairs getting an email system into alf-tip-top shape only for it
to not be used as soon as it was got
to work...
mircea_popescu: he wrote it, let him run it, and not be discouraged by "not forthcoming" or w/e happened
there.
mircea_popescu: why would you build something else instead of using
the something
that already is ?
mircea_popescu: i'm not sure what
the benefit of publishing would be. so what, someone else runs it or what.
phf: i'm not sure what publishing
the whole
thing entails,
the only bit
that i even considered is something along
the lines of what
trinque did with his irc bot
mircea_popescu: fine, so i read 'em when
they were absent, woe unto me.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-15 17:59 phf: asciilifeform: no haven't published it, it's a big ball of mud
that in
the gran lisp machine
tradition lives in
TMSR package, along with log bot, log visualizer, log database, etc. so if
there's interest in any specific parts i can extract
them into library and publish, but i've not been planning on publishing
the whole
thing
mircea_popescu: there's
two major management problems with publishing : one if it's done heathenly, like alf does it, pastes and whatnot ;
the other is subjective, "i published it so it's no longer my
thing".
mircea_popescu: don't resent it ; instead, let's examine what
this "ima publish" entails.
phf: i resent
the "sorta works" bit, i've been responsive with any feedback related
to log and patch visualizer. i've not read
todays log so maybe i missed how /patches fits into greater scheme of
things
phf: mircea_popescu: no, publish meaning put relevant parts into patch visualizer, i otherwise haven't published anything. log/patch visualizer is presented as a service, as far as log is concerned
the philosophy has been "write your own" and
there's not been much interest in
the v part until now
mircea_popescu: or did you just make
to
try and ruin
the republic
thereby, "here's an engine, it sorta works, im never making it work correctly haha and fuck you" ?
mircea_popescu: "i've not been planning on publishing
the whole
thing" << why not, are you planning
to what, sell it ?
mircea_popescu: so
that
THIS also becomes an "unowned random bit of nothing" and we just sink into idocy ervery year a little deeper ?
phf: mircea_popescu: it is (though
there's an interruption in
the chain
that i need
to regrind)
that doesn't help me
though, because it's
the whole
thing, rather
than parts.
mircea_popescu: gah. i feel like in a spider web, every move
to improvement resulting in worse shittifyication.
phf: like a kind of vpatch gitlab
thing, ok i'll
think where and how
to slice
phf: i
think it might be worthwhile
to publish for example vpatch parser and presser machinery
though
phf: asciilifeform: no haven't published it, it's a big ball of mud
that in
the gran lisp machine
tradition lives in
TMSR package, along with log bot, log visualizer, log database, etc. so if
there's interest in any specific parts i can extract
them into library and publish, but i've not been planning on publishing
the whole
thing
☟︎ phf: basically
the
tree viewer is half baked and i'm not eating my own dog food here, so i'm relying on
teh public
to give me feedback ("phf fucking fix
this fucking
thing") which so far has not been forthcoming
a111: Logged on 2017-11-15 17:19 asciilifeform:
this item calls for something like phf's v-viewer
mircea_popescu: (the a above may seem minor, but both apeloyee and some random noob yest ran into
th eexact problem. only one survived it far we can
tell.)
mircea_popescu: there's also c) where it helps
the mind mature into something
that'll eventually be able
to usefully v, but
that's a secret.
mircea_popescu: the important points here are a) scheduling. if we're in
the middle of a conversation, low ranking rando won't make any friends by dumping comments re paste. if you had
the decency
to put it on blog, he can leave you a comment, which you can read when you have
the
time. major efficiency boon for everyone.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform who is going
to read anything but non-auto adnotations.
mircea_popescu: oh
thank you mp, i see now what you had been
trying
to
tell me for
the past
two hours because
that's
the sort of a mind i am. will fix now!
mircea_popescu: thing has no way
to underline byte error from
tester
to author and you give it a passing grade ?
mircea_popescu: how do i do anything beyond "here's a doodle, click 80
times in inept
trees of documents like it's 1980 all over again and steve jobs hasn't yet come
to put into abject slavery all sorts of retarded academiacs who really
thought
they had something
to say" ?
mircea_popescu: basically, looks like a
tripod site. if i want
to link you
to
the "c" in Read(s,c); what do i do ?
a111: Logged on 2013-12-03 23:49
ThickAsThieves`: It's hard
to explain puns
to kleptomaniacs because
they always
take
things literally.
mircea_popescu: which is why it's even interesting
to have one as an intellectual activity.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform neh, because it's your fucking blog, reflecting what you know when you write it not what you come
to find in writing it