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assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 23:05:51; ahmed_bodi: Occasional trader. remember trading with
a few people here. lost my PGP? key so i cant auth with assbot myself anymore
assbot: Logged on 03-02-2015 22:35:01; asciilifeform: 'mr x, you're
a registered pauper, but is that
a first class air ticket you're holding? where'dyagetthat'
mircea_popescu: now suppose i "own" the same, "in the family", but my family is
a bunch of poor peasants from honduras.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: except this "through family" claim is documented through five different testations, and it so happens that my uncle was
a picasso expert who wrote extensively of this picasso work his brother owned.
mircea_popescu: suppose i have
a work picasso himself signed with the title "stanislav's teapot shaped head"
mircea_popescu: somehow never is anyone in that family someone with
a registered key.
mircea_popescu: phf "passed through family" in that context is always
a miserable cop out.
mircea_popescu: who went by the "why should something be
a standard if what it says is, we don't get any and stfu"
mircea_popescu: only i have the privilege to stand up here and say something of the kind. because i'm part of
a fucking republic.
mircea_popescu: hitler could have took
a stand in 1940 against antisemitism!
mircea_popescu: anyway, the main problem with that art ruling thing, getting back to it, is that revisionism in inflation is
a bitch. specifically, that sale was in 2006, before the first bout of "quantitative easing". most art of all description sells today for 10x to 100x what it did two decades ago, simply because dollars today, and euros today, are scarcely worth 10 cents. (no, this does not mean nothing to the slaves that spend "
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform come to think of it - he has
a deeply unwarranted sense of superiority over shaw. easily the most important thinker of the period in all the english speaking lands.
mircea_popescu: (for the younger log reader, "two-and-sixpence" is not random, but
a century ago made half
a crown. it is used in
a sense similar to "too clever by half", because that's really what half
a crown is. worse than either
a whole crown or no crown at all. at least in the context of this discussion)
mircea_popescu: the most important film in support of sanity is
a story of poor but stupid sicilian fishermen paid for by fucking stalin.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and btw, thinking about it - i now realise visconti, the son of the duke visconti no less, actually is the one example of resistence through culture known. his terra trema was paid for by the communist party. and in it he delivers such
a trashing to the pious frauds of the communists as has never before seen.
mircea_popescu:
a) never was this nailed, anymore than the sun rising is "nailed".
mircea_popescu: yes. because he was
a socialist, which is to say an idiot, and expected socialism, which always is "externalise costs" to be able to do so forever.
mircea_popescu: why ? why, because the redditar of 1600 thought himself blessed to "waste his life away" being
a "from X's circle" at the very best. whereas the redditard of 2000 thinks his life too valuable to invest in anything. he is now
a thinking man, don't you know, an intellectual - everyone's an intellectual that has computers, suddenly - and
a tiny little Kitschhochadel in his own right!
mircea_popescu: ver really solved, life will become simpler instead of more complex, and that the sort of pleasure one gets from finding the first primrose will loom larger than the sort of pleasure one gets from eating an ice to the tune of
a Wurlitzer." thing)
mircea_popescu: incidentally, even though modern pigments and computers and what have you, we're not being deluged in fine art, as "you'd expect" (if you were say orwell or some other dumb schmuck with the If
a man cannot enjoy the return of spring, why should he be happy in
a labour-saving Utopia? What will he do with the leisure that the machine will give him? I have always suspected that if our economic and political problems are e
mircea_popescu: see, these kids is the fundamental reason
a) ru young women are well fucked (well means more than just
a lot) and b) the chechens aren't isis.
mircea_popescu: on the practical side, they both WORKED, if one's tolerant with the concept. soviet law maintained order in
a larger thing than the us, better than the us managed.
mircea_popescu: for one thing, no opium smoker bangs 30 women
a day even for two days straight,
mircea_popescu: well look, you agree with the broad idea that no man made thing may endure without
a place the buck stops ?
mircea_popescu: the other's
a more fundamental type of dispute, you could stilisize as "between man and god".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes. vaguely speaking, one's
a contest among the crowd of boys. "everyone wants to be the one at the wheel, so who shall ?"
ag3nt_zer0: mircea_popescu: who do you hold in high esteem as
a director?
mircea_popescu: you have
a strange equivocation of power an' legitimacy going on there, asciilifeform
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 03:29:02; mircea_popescu: making money is
a purely ~political~ function. if you are among the favoured elite of the respublica veneta, you then may invest in the ships, and make
a profit. if not, not.
ag3nt_zer0: ok, don't really have an opinion on him myself, but I thought that film was quite entertaining... like
a cinematic hall of mirrors or something
assbot: Logged on 22-08-2015 19:30:03; mircea_popescu: the merit of
a pgp signature is that it delivers them from having to do this.
ag3nt_zer0: of irony, de Hory's interviewer is author Clifford Irving, who became infamous due to
a forgery of his own:
a falsified autobiography of Howard Hughes. Welles openly re-edits and manipulates this footage, using it as
a spine for his own commentary, arguing that there is an extremely close relationship between art and lying, and citing instances from his own career to prove the point."
ag3nt_zer0: "The final directorial project the legendary Orson Welles completed during his lifetime, F for Fake is less
a documentary than an example of cinematic free association on the topic of trickery. Much of the film is in fact drawn from other sources, most notably an unfinished documentary by Francois Reichenbach on the notorious Elmyr de Hory, whose extremely skillful forgeries of famous paintings caused scandals amongst art
mircea_popescu: nonono. there is such
a thing as "identify typewriter"
mircea_popescu: the merit of
a pgp signature is that it delivers them from having to do this.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: check these people out, they have fine art authorship grading down to
a fine art!
mircea_popescu: Giovanni Bellini means that in their opinion, this is
a work in the style of Bellini and of
a later date. vii) After Giovanni Bellini means that in their opinion, this is
a copy of
a known work of Bellini.
mircea_popescu: k by an as yet unidentified but distinct hand, closely associated with Bellini but not necessarily his pupil. v) Style/Follower of Giovanni Bellini means that, in their opinion, this is
a work by
a painter working in Bellini's style, contemporary or nearly contemporary, but not necessarily his pupil. ‘Contemporary or nearly contemporary' means that it was painted within about 50 years of Bellini's work. vi) Manner of
mircea_popescu: Bellini means that, in Sotheby's opinion, this is probably
a work by Bellini, but there is less certainty expressed as to authorship than in the preceding category. iii) Studio of Giovanni Bellini means that, in their opinion, this is
a work by an unknown hand in the studio of Bellini, and it may or may not have been executed under his direction. iv) Circle of Giovanni Bellini means that, in their opinion, it is
a wor
mircea_popescu: For every auction sale,
a catalogue is produced describing each painting to be sold. Every entry indicates the certainty with which Sotheby's is prepared to attribute it to
a particular artist. The catalogue entry may describe
a painting in the following ways: i) Simply putting the name of the artist, for example, ‘Giovanni Bellini,' means that, in Sotheby's opinion, the work is by Bellini. ii) Attributed to Giovanni
mircea_popescu: it's not really hard to make, need pot with water and coarse ground corn. and
a woman that knows how long to boil it and what proportions.
mircea_popescu: (it rhymes in russian because it's russian.
a language from 1700! it needn't rhyme in english, unless we're going for faux-peasant wisdom)
mircea_popescu: And then, when the experts have come to their conclusion, and that conclusion is challenged in court, (as opposed to the marketplace or in critical writing),
a judge must decide that the experts were right or wrong.
mircea_popescu: ely almost entirely on expert opinion concerning the quality of the art, that is to say, is the quality of the art being examined of the quality expected of
a painting by the artist—in this case, Caravaggio.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: Authenticating
a work of art is often difficult, and more difficult when the art is four or five hundred years old, and at least one tool for the expert, to wit, provenance, is often limited or non-existent. And, science (materials analysis) does not get us very far since many of the problems for Old Masters come right out of the artist's studio (think Rembrandt). Thus, for Old Masters at least, the expert is left to r
mircea_popescu: much like maja has the face of
a sly thirteen year old.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, this suggests
a fine exercise for the esteemed lordship and beyond. not everything in this life is code, and
a gentleman needs to study and know
a loit more than rubies. so therefore : which classical nude do you like the face of ?
mircea_popescu would not feel particularly better for owning the "actual" copy of
a painting he likes rather than
a very good one. actually i'd feel like
a total fool.
mircea_popescu: ("oh this march is from 1722 and then they put antimony in the brass. this march was
a fake!)
mircea_popescu: much like
a good performance of
a march does not get anulled through having been "not the original" and nobody sticks around to compare the brass instruments used
mircea_popescu: (goya has
a dressed maja and
a nude one, they were goin to make "la maja en chemise")
mircea_popescu: anyway, pretty much your idea :
a wanna-be rockefeller (except fraudster-y) hires an eccentric copyer to make an intermediate maja
mircea_popescu: this would be true if there existed
a usg agency of authenticity.
assbot: Logged on 22-08-2015 13:02:32; assbot: How
a Chinese librarian made $6 million in forged art over two years | National Post ... (
http://bit.ly/1MEGQZh )
mod6: ok i think i see what I did wrong here... just
a minute.
mircea_popescu: that weird feeling when you wake up at 4pm, everyone's gone to do useful stuffs and you have
a pile of explanatory notes, aggregated foodstuffs and so forth.