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zx2c4: one difference is that the ruins aren't people, not that they are, obviously. not sure i'm getting your rhetorical point...
zx2c4: i know a lot of rich people with trust funds set up by their ancestors. they receive fixed income every month, and otherwise aren't hassled
mircea_popescu: zx2c4 looky, the only reason you want "an infinity of monyz" is "so that i don't have to tihnk of monyz anymore", which is simply the way you've rephrased "so i can be stupid with impunity" in a way to meet your blindspots.
zx2c4: but it clearly doesn't happen with _all people_
mircea_popescu: of course you don't. that's a necessary ingredient.
zx2c4: oh, i really don't think that'd be the case
zx2c4: to put differently, if 2000 BTC suddenly showed up in 1ASnTs4UjXKR8tHnLi9yG42n42hbFYV2um, I'd be quite happy and don't think i'd be worse off
mircea_popescu: evolution at work, the reason the fish doesn't remove the bloodsucker is that the bloodsucker is so designed as to sit in the fish's blind spot.
mircea_popescu: zx2c4 understand, this self-flattering notion that you're in control is bunk. you're in no position to be in control in that sense. all that you're filtering for by that mechanism is "bullshit deal i don't comprehend". which... of course you would be.
mircea_popescu: zx2c4 it relates specifically to the "which is why real funding for wireguard would be so much better". no, it wouldn 't be. you'd just end up trapped in some sort of bullshit deal.
mircea_popescu: i don't follow the logic ?
mircea_popescu: zx2c4 you pretty much work alone on the thing, don;t you ?
zx2c4: i wasn't planning on immortality, but if you say so...
mircea_popescu: zx2c4 i don't get it, you just got a coin, should last you a while neh ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sure, but that doesn't explain his daddy
thatbitchlola: it isn't even showing in my balance tho
mircea_popescu: hanbot these are gonna become incantations lol. "hi i'm here to show you my tits" "<< it's good for about half a n hour, don't dilly-dally." and so on.
mircea_popescu: haleyyyyy 96ddc81a << it's good for about half a n hour, don't dilly-dally.
mircea_popescu: SluttyDiamond 2fb5eb10 << it's good for about half a n hour, don't dilly-dally.
mircea_popescu: danna33 52454fae << it's good for about half a n hour, don't dilly-dally.
mircea_popescu: thatbitchlola 563661f6 << it's good for about half a n hour, don't dilly-dally.
mircea_popescu: tittybang 4b656366 << it's good for about half a n hour, don't dilly-dally.
douchebag: hey I was away when she didn't know how to get revoiced
diana_coman: ugh, barfs that I don't have flash I suppose
danielpbarron: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-13#1797998 << heh, a response to "i tell people what not to do" -- shivalry, did you know the Bible tells us to encourage your indulgences for so long as God hasn't forced you to believe in Him? ☝︎
diana_coman: mod6, I had a look at that dump but sadly I can't say I get what's going on exactly atm
BingoBoingo: So there is a very small fraction of the people normally at the CoWork on Fridays here. I can't tell if it is because it is Friday the 13th or if it is the Mumps outbreak.
mircea_popescu: so the good talk therapist would point out to the person interested in this particular magic pill exactly what he'd say to the "i want ai because i don't have a gf" nut : "have you tried the NATURALLY OCCURING solutions first ?"
shivalry: It shouldn't be used as the sole means but rather a tool is where people get it misunderstood.
mircea_popescu: well, i don't know you well enough.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-12#1797868 << quite ; but this is not unrelated, mommentum = mv. and v has a T component. ☝︎
ben_vulpes: yeah i can't this thread anymore, too damn seductive.
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-03-23 04:08 douchebag: Okay, why do you guys liek arguing so much? Is this why you guys don't get anything done?
jurov: but i don't know if same temperature means h2o and o2 molecules have same momentum? or they have same kkinetic energy?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: don't fixate on the cooling ; i proposed it as simple means of producing 'dry' air
asciilifeform: ( if you cannot, you have a solid, and naturally no it won't work on a solid, lol )
asciilifeform: must point out, i haven't the faintest reason to think that it would work; was specifically curious re whynot
ben_vulpes: won't work past mach
a111: Logged on 2018-04-12 19:58 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-12#1797506 <-- ain't gonna bitch about that. but just for lulz: http://archive.is/tatUF and to think, proof systems (Coq, Isabelle/HOL, etc.) exist mainly to slap humans on their wrists when they err.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-12#1797506 <-- ain't gonna bitch about that. but just for lulz: http://archive.is/tatUF and to think, proof systems (Coq, Isabelle/HOL, etc.) exist mainly to slap humans on their wrists when they err. ☝︎☟︎
trinque: avgjoe: you didn't introduce yourself though. so go ahead
avgjoe: i mean, ok, it works for noobs, but at the same time you don't know instantly who is managing the keys
trinque: my point was that you can't answer the question of whether to trust me as you sit there now
trinque: avgjoe: the point being, while I can give you a lot of nice words about not stealing your bitcents, this doesn't amount to much.
mircea_popescu: morgan freeman is also worshipped now. why ? same reason. wolf-raised kids can't believe oldman is a thing.
mircea_popescu: wasn't meeting the above quals.
asciilifeform: wasn't so popular when he was demonstrating effective smooth integers algo
britknee: I haven't actually been, by blood
asciilifeform: averages don't help much, if it's '0 on whole week but certain death on tuesday noon'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it can't be a debit like that, because the main unknown is the approach.
avgjoe: hello, can i ask why deedbot doesn't send me the challange to solve? instead it tells me that i should not up myself
a111: Logged on 2018-04-12 16:12 zx2c4: things like RSA boil down to number theory problems. but that's in a sense scarier than the set of problems that good block ciphers tend to boil down to. because it means that those primitives have lots of _structure_, and generally structure is something that can be exploited. just look at all the amazing and fantastic attacks on things with structure. so just boiling down to a [currently considered] "hard problem" doesn't provide as much solace
mircea_popescu: i don't get it, what happened ?
asciilifeform: to be fair, the thing isn't even obscenely lengthy, esp for a robo-generated proggy. ( it remains the case that i dislike c, and also ecc; but these are orthogonal concerns )
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes wp doesn't actually care how .htaccess is implemented ; only that it works.
ben_vulpes: (and it doesn't even have any chocolate...)
mircea_popescu: hey, i didn't think i even liked girls, as a 14yo. people get strange ideas in their heads.
mircea_popescu: but that's related to how they can't even exist in c.
asciilifeform: and doesn't require a multi-MB runtime.
mircea_popescu: and could you guess WHY it wouldn't make it upstream ? because ada object-links with c object code np.
asciilifeform: zx2c4: this isn't v per se tho, it is a graphical viewer for same
mircea_popescu: this reduces your strength, like it or not, because ~attacker inferred something~. that's what strength is, "attacker doesn't infer". see the history of the concept of "ban" and hopw turning bamburismus'd.
mircea_popescu: one thing at a time : if an attacker observes a stream of n messages of lengths != 0, there is nothing he can infer : maybe they're part of one message, or maybe they're not, or maybe they don't even say anything.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the point here isn't that padded protocols infoleak in multiples of the paddiong., the point is that 0 is a special case invariant, and yhou can never leak a multiple of 0 safely. because, again, a message of arbitrary length n can be presented as m messages of length k ; but 0 messages can never carry anything.
mircea_popescu: zx2c4 is this constant time ecc implementation on display somewhere btw ? i don't think i ever saw one before.
mircea_popescu: in any case, cryptography comes in two sorts : sort a), known here as "this must be secure, it's so confusing to me", and sort b). the moment you say "i can't see what this gives attacker" you force-shove yourself in group a. it's not your business to know the attacker, that's the whole fundamental philosophy of ciphering, that you do not need to know the attacker.
mircea_popescu: because i can turn a 31 message into two 15 messages or back ; but i can't turn 0 messages into anything else.
mircea_popescu: so that eve can't distinguish silent keepalive from actual convo ?
mircea_popescu: so wouldn't it make sense for me to send 8 whether i have anything to say or not ?
mircea_popescu: i can't use the trilema-style url-reference (here's an example : http://trilema.com/2018/boboban/#selection-47.0-47.10 ) because you don't have implemented. but it's from the /protocol page
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he can't answer that, because it'd be implementation dependant.
zx2c4: one thing to keep in mind is that Noise isn't a single ready-made protocol for every application designer to take. its instead a protocol framework for protocol designers to use. knowing explicitly what the payload param gives you in each message is really important, so that you dont screw up and put your stuff somewhere it shouldnt be. there are legitimate protocol use cases for using the payload parameter early on during the handshake. its
mircea_popescu: zx2c4 don't break up your sentences in multi lines, we read everything anyway.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-12 09:38 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-19#1701034 <-- /me now wonders whether e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-19#1701034 could have been "illuminated" in any other way than through whipping. it is what it is, isn't it?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-12#1796976 << you know me. he doesn't know you. this makes all the difference in the world -- i can whip my slavegirls into shape because they ~love me~. people without this benefit are stuck going at snail speed, which is why "education" in the unsexualized way it's implemented publicly does not work. it couldn't fucking work. ☝︎
asciilifeform: i don't see 'not publicly smashed to bits of just yet' as a proof of strength, given as it is true of literally every system ever devised, until the moment of public breakage
zx2c4: things like RSA boil down to number theory problems. but that's in a sense scarier than the set of problems that good block ciphers tend to boil down to. because it means that those primitives have lots of _structure_, and generally structure is something that can be exploited. just look at all the amazing and fantastic attacks on things with structure. so just boiling down to a [currently considered] "hard problem" doesn't provide as much solace ☟︎
zx2c4: asciilifeform: i haven't been able to observe any non-constant time multiplications on intel in that code
zx2c4: - wireguard isn't chatty. when you're not sending traffic, it shuts up and you cant tell its there
asciilifeform: zx2c4: don't go away yet plz. i'd like to ask a few q re your crypto design
zx2c4: - silent to unauthorized packets. if you dont know there's a wireguard endpoint there and don't have credentials to talk to it, you can't get it to respond to anything. so, you cant scan for endpoints. this makes it a good thing to put on the outer edge of your network.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-19#1701034 <-- /me now wonders whether e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-19#1701034 could have been "illuminated" in any other way than through whipping. it is what it is, isn't it? ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: it has nothing to do with apache ; let everyone who isn't hanbot fix their mp-wp
ben_vulpes: ain't all about you sweetie
mircea_popescu: britknee no i don't mean you, i mean hanbot.
britknee: but being broke isn't so much
mircea_popescu: sashahsas you don't speak french ? it's how the frenchies say "puzzle".
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes why don't you just put it in production and then futz with optimisation, like normal people ? do you not know anything about webdev ?
sashahsas: sashahsas wouldn't count
mircea_popescu: i don't hang out with them.
ben_vulpes: well it successfully redirects me to the index and the admin login page now when using a consumer browser; not that that's much of an indicator that things aren't deeply fucked within
mircea_popescu: i don't even know that it knows what a port is or what to do with the colon.
mircea_popescu: i don't believe it's either apache or mysql. i expect is unhappy interaction between your ad-hoc dns mapping and mp-wp.
mircea_popescu: item doesn't work that way
mircea_popescu: is your mp-wp isntall depending on eg a theme you don't have referencing images that don't exist or w/e ?\
mircea_popescu: ok so then, you don;'t have an apache problem.
britknee: Sorry, I didn't know it was out in the open 😮
sashahsas: At work but have some time to do it if you aren't busy
mod6: lol, i didn't even see that the topic changed.
mircea_popescu: anyway, he can't really "create an alt nick", what, i'm going to give thousands of dollars to random people ?