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BingoBoingo: trinque: No. I want an S-10 or Dakota with a wicked lift kit.

trinque: BingoBoingo: wassamatta? you don't want a Mega-King-Ranch 350?

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Maybe when he was writing, but this problem like many other prophetic Orwell things materialized in another form. Like a shannonizer from hell that takes Orwell's words and spews an output into USian reality.

assbot: Logged on 16-02-2014 03:57:29; asciilifeform: "On the far side of the room, sitting at a table alone, a small, curiously beetle-like man was drinking a cup of coffee, his little eyes darting suspicious glances from side to side. How easy it was, thought Winston, if you did not look about you, to believe that the physical type set up by the Party as an ideal-tall muscular youths and deep-bosomed maidens, blond-haired, vital, sunburnt, carefree - e

trinque: The great mass of human beings are not acutely selfish. << from the essay; Orwell seemed to have a deep love of the beoble. If only all these selfish elites would get out of the way, the selflessness of the common man would shine through.

mircea_popescu: "I was the middle child of three, but there was a gap of five years on either side, and I barely saw my father before I was eight. For this and other reasons I was somewhat lonely, and I soon developed disagreeable mannerisms which made me unpopular throughout my schooldays. I had the lonely child's habit of making up stories and holding conversations with imaginary persons, and I think from the very start my literary

asciilifeform: i could also use a dirigible

mircea_popescu: a well trained woman to whom you can say "do so and so" and she can and does.

mircea_popescu: you need a secretary.

asciilifeform has a good deal of material like this, but in nothing like publishable form because ars longa...

mircea_popescu: except at the time everyone was a scientist in their garage

mircea_popescu: that there's so precious little intellectual effort dedicated to the topic is prolly the saddest manifest of a dead culture.

mircea_popescu: but anyway, there seems no possible question that the nakamoto paper is a (tenuous) footbridge rather than any sort of wall.

mircea_popescu: i think anyone with a serious interest in human thought has a corner they use just in that manner you describe.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: all of this reminds me of a secret pleasure of mine - reading 'electrician' scientific publications from the era of heaviside

mircea_popescu: there's possibly a third item too.

mircea_popescu: i think ironically the "basic bitcoin" exercise has illustrated we're not yet in a theoretically-complete position. damned close but not there.

asciilifeform: there is a long student tradition of writing 'quines', programs which display themselves.

BingoBoingo: stability and a question for it probably also belong in biology

mircea_popescu: long long ago, in a univerde far far away

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'a'+'c' - 'what facts can or cannot be mathematically proven about a computer program? and when?'

assbot: Basic Bitcoin Competency Certification on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1V5TrYp )

BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> tried it ? << Kinda like a fattier gamier rabbit.

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Also how are the catfish in Río de la Plata? Probably ought to check that out before leaving hardware B-A

mircea_popescu: mike_c honestly i suspek your intuition is certainly correct. more money to be made teaching this than 90% of the stuff taught online. "be a better you" or w/e.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and im passing on the next 2, they're nice but more in a "basic guide to being a gentleman scholar in 2015"

mircea_popescu: 2. sybil. the purpose is irrelevant. all mitm is a degenberate case of sybil.

asciilifeform: (the purpose of a sybil is not necessarily to deceive the victim into transacting with a known party through it)

mircea_popescu: one at a time.

assbot: Logged on 25-08-2015 01:18:04; mircea_popescu: lemme see if anything occurs. ima keep it open for a little bit see if i become suddenly unhappy with b overnight, then ima set it in stone an' give out some symbolic prizes for first completors.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'c' (or 'd' ?) - 'what information is conveyed by a cryptographic signature ?'

mike_c: but I don't think there's a ton of patience in here for teaching 101 courses.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'c' (or 'd' ?) - 'describe what is steganography, and name a successful and a catastrophic instance of its use'

mike_c: I'm sticking by it. Once you know what a sybil attack is, this is a good venue to learn why what you know isn't quite right.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'c' (or 'd' ?) - 'distinguish 'fail-safe' and 'fail-deadly' mechanisms. give a common example of each.'

mike_c: Adlai: my point wasn't that we're a bunch of geniuses, more that there are better venues to learn something in depth like what is a sybil attack.

Adlai is genuinely curious who here defines themselves an "expert", and in what field... not that nobody can make a valid claim, just... curious

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'a' - 'what is idempotence ?'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm trying to form a mental model of the how+why of certain quiz items; for instance, why is rawls in there, but not, e.g, 'describe what is a bucket shop'

mike_c: hanbot: I would think that would a pre-req for charging, yeah.

Adlai: mike_c: "a job", implying somebody pays you... sounds more like an enterprise

mike_c: anybody looking for a job in bitcoin - take that article, turn it into a course.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'd' - 'what is a man-in-the-middle attack'

mircea_popescu: either < or something. esp <--- is a comment. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the one sad result of this exercise is that in fact it turns out a privileged relationship to randomness is an ingredient.

mircea_popescu: not that it's not interesting. but this is already a major asspoking.

mircea_popescu: lol. fortunately, slavekeeping not a requirement.

mircea_popescu: Adlai well there isn't a word cause it's new!

mircea_popescu: lemme see if anything occurs. ima keep it open for a little bit see if i become suddenly unhappy with b overnight, then ima set it in stone an' give out some symbolic prizes for first completors. ☟︎

mike_c: not as much as a certification, cuz i don't gives a fuk, but as a reading list. like, if you can't answer this, go research it.

Adlai: this seems like too-abstract a wording, unless one of your implied prerequisites is internet telepathy

mike_c: i like this thing, a lot

mircea_popescu: the way this test is designed, not only is lying a theft against oneself, as these things usually are - but moreover it leaves a trail and there's something to bitterly regret later.

asciilifeform: hey it wants to be a quiz

mircea_popescu: Adlai the idea being that if they have a decent understanding of fundamentals

mircea_popescu: yeah. ima put it in A.

Adlai: asciilifeform: this invokes notions of 'gives up and has a giggle'

Adlai: asciilifeform: meh, just hash a photo of your cat

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> let me put it in these terms asciilifeform : if you actually need the concept of random to have bitcoin, this reduces to a situationb of "whosoever has priviledged access to random owns bitcoin". << An Vexual has most priviledged access to most random

Adlai: let's put it this way: either they should pass this (ie, my question); or they should understand 'random'; or i give up and have a little giggle

mircea_popescu: this as a rule of the universe, not avoidable. perfectly deterministic anything and everything.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let's for a second presume, as a thought experiment, that magically any call to a random function returned 5.

Adlai: this question is a "how to avoid derping your client's funds"

mircea_popescu: this is also not a "how to save" or "how to put out fires" guide.

mircea_popescu: why exactly is this a problem ?

mircea_popescu: let me put it in these terms asciilifeform : if you actually need the concept of random to have bitcoin, this reduces to a situationb of "whosoever has priviledged access to random owns bitcoin".

Adlai: well not literally "say something about ECC"... how about: "given [idiotically-signed] transactions A and B, recover the private key [mis]used in their signatures"

asciilifeform: it is a very common basic logical mistake among the students.

mircea_popescu: that's for a different class.

asciilifeform: 'a' or 'd' - 'describe three mutually-orthogonal notions of 'entropy', and their applications.'

mircea_popescu: and this is not a "bitcoin technician" test.

Adlai would also add to Section A something about ECC

mircea_popescu: a.

asciilifeform: 'd' (or 'a') - 'what is perfect forward secrecy?'

asciilifeform: 'd' - 'what is meant by a sybil attack?'

mircea_popescu: there's a science to these

asciilifeform: 'a' - define nash's equilibrium

asciilifeform: chapter 'c'. 'explain the second-system effect and discuss a well-known case'

asciilifeform: in such a way as to make the above description false

mircea_popescu: in one famous case, because this allows you to pass a null parameter

asciilifeform: i am at a total loss as to how this results in a weaker system

mircea_popescu: you think we\re discussing F(F(F(x))) whereas we did not say a=b=F

asciilifeform: i still don't see it, btw. if re-encrypting could result in weakening, it would be a cryptoanalytic tool (as it in fact is for certain misimplemented rsatrons, actually)

asciilifeform: i suppose that'd be a hint as to the answer, wouldntit

asciilifeform: mathematics. 'what is a trapdoor function?'

asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: rigs is a holy place to me, but only for so long as the golden little tins keep a'comin'

mircea_popescu: note that it's a draft yet at rfc stage and im still actively working on it

assbot: Basic Bitcoin Competency Certification on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1hDscGp )

phf: is a standard answer to "howto in ruby?" "we use pegster gem with mustashbar extension, though lately we've been migrating to fellater gem" ☟︎

phf: like ruby gems, famous for having a fashionable veneer ("we do DSL like lisp!") and horrible buggy 80% code

asciilifeform: 'Fork of python-gnupg-0.3.2, patched to fix a potential vulnerability which could result in remote code execution, do to unsanitised inputs being passed to subprocess.Popen([...], shell=True)'

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trinque: mircea_popescu | a which reminds me, trinque make sure pete_dushenski blog is only rss'd like randopmly one in 5 << lol, we'll see how it goes

trinque: definitely not poverty, no. it's a lifestyle choice.

pete_dushenski: "financially, she benefits from living on a train: The flat-rate ticket costs her about $380, whereas she had to pay about $450 for her previous apartment."

pete_dushenski: thestringpuller i've only ever migrated a blog from wp to wp

mircea_popescu: at least a decade.

mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski thatre's a dead concern everywhere. and even opera.

asciilifeform: but polluting my mailbox is a-ok? l0l