asciilifeform: aha, in software world they re-defined 'just fine' to include turdolade that won't even build, regular crashes, infections, whole shebang.

asciilifeform: golden toilet is 'status object', can be displayed.

asciilifeform: davout: fewer.

asciilifeform: 'we haven't enough bread, let's serve up 90%/10% sawdust/flour'

asciilifeform: this is elementarily a debasement situation

asciilifeform: how many 'i wanna web site!111' folks are ready to pay for a year of 'there are 100 of me' time.

asciilifeform: similar to reactor operators.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480691 << gotta understand, the number of people alive qualified to do this safely is probably < 100. ☝︎

asciilifeform: (nor, i suspect, could he do this even if he wanted to - would have to also fix 1,001 turdware libs that the sufferers use, each of which will never be fixed because some 3-man shop somewhere also needs to eat... etc)

asciilifeform: his firm would fold.

asciilifeform: for instance, what would happen if ben_vulpes were to fix the crud on a permanent, published basis ? rather than case-by-case

asciilifeform: the lack of incentive thing is elementary

asciilifeform: when stupidity, laziness, lead to starvation - they evaporate rapidly.

asciilifeform: davout: stupid and lazy come from misaligned incentives.

asciilifeform: rather like al schwartz's roach repellent which merely moves them to the neighbouring flat.

asciilifeform: have, in fact, invented a means of 'putting out' fire that simply moves it, 10x amplified, to another spot. ☟︎

asciilifeform: davout: not simply this, but that these particular firemen do very little ASIDE FROM setting fires.

asciilifeform: and quite a bit of incentive in opposite direction.

asciilifeform: davout: my observation was that there is ~0 incentive to make wwwtronic systems lighter/more consistent/more apprehendable/less broken. ☟︎

asciilifeform: well point of a380 is supposed to be moving folks across ocean cheaply

asciilifeform: exactly same

asciilifeform: davout: see thread. if the mess did not exist, ben_vulpes et al would have to earn bread some other way ☟︎

asciilifeform: 'jobs' come 'out of nowhere'

asciilifeform: my realization is that this kind of thing is EXACTLY same as fiatolade ☟︎

asciilifeform: as per http://www.loper-os.org/?p=388 .

asciilifeform: in this case, 'work creation' is rewarded.

asciilifeform: different reward matrix --> different result.

asciilifeform: upstream? 'hoorah! our shit is Moar Relevant nao'

asciilifeform: grumbling, installing 'updates' etc.

asciilifeform: what is the reaction downstream ?

asciilifeform: mr schmuck, the django or whatever dev, introduces breakage, additional dependencies.

asciilifeform: let's work example,

asciilifeform: entirely p2p thing.

asciilifeform: no need for a head.

asciilifeform: it is a mistake to suppose that the cancers, e.g., rails soup, happen by accident.

asciilifeform: aha, c existed before there 'had to be' employment for 50 million idiots.

asciilifeform: (why should ~it~ continue to build!)

asciilifeform: here's to hoping that docker undergoes the same death as described earlier.

asciilifeform: the more interesting question: how many of these folks understand that their 'job' would not EVEN EXIST if it weren't for this lunacy.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: 'macports' installs ruby per se. it is the rails thing that melts down.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it dies as described in the link.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: yes.

asciilifeform: lulzy

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: specifically that turd?!

asciilifeform: so best not be poor.

asciilifeform: well, 'y' was likely to take a full rail car

asciilifeform: except they were more advanced, mailed only tape

asciilifeform: aha.

asciilifeform: back and forth.

asciilifeform: in a crate.

asciilifeform: *mail

asciilifeform: just main motherfucking server.

asciilifeform: i predict that before long, folks will do this.

asciilifeform: same degree of idiocy.

asciilifeform: why not mail whole machine around.

asciilifeform: trinque: do what ?

asciilifeform: davout: spiffy. perhaps you can rent it out to folks.

asciilifeform: linked report is circa dec. 2014 !

asciilifeform: they all set it up back when it built ? which ?

asciilifeform: what do all of the ben_vulpeses do ? pass a vm around?

asciilifeform: IT HASN'T WORKED SINCE ... at least oct '15 ?

asciilifeform: the more interesting question: this, recall, is mega-popular luser-friendly thing. running on #1 most beloved wwwtronicist's platform.

asciilifeform: it was the other end of a cpp thing i was doing for money. tried to reconstruct its natural habitat, to test...

asciilifeform: thing STILL croaks.

asciilifeform: oct. 28, 2015.

asciilifeform: '

asciilifeform: 'I'm going to close and lock this conversation, because I don't see any meaningful progress on reproducing the issue in the last month or so, and because of the unproductive conversations and noise.

asciilifeform: '@zenspider Mocking me? Honestly?!? And the "it works on my machine" response? I really appreciate the work people put into sharing their software with others, but you need to learn to treat people with respect who are trying to help improve your product. I need this for a new system I have inheirited. The first thing I am going to do is get rid of the dependency on your project.'

asciilifeform: eh all vermin say, 'that shit i just shat, it isn't shit, see, my arse emits only flowers and sunshine'

asciilifeform: despite trying all day.

asciilifeform: i can't even wholly figure out what happened there.

asciilifeform: in a sense.

asciilifeform: i am wearing 3 gas masks.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu has read more of the crapola than anyone ought to be expected to for free.

asciilifeform: bold lie.

asciilifeform: by all appearances.

asciilifeform: ^ summary: mega-famous www library, 'ruby on rails', supposedly luser-friendly, etc. DOES NOT ACTUALLY BUILD on recent mac os

asciilifeform: so possibly needs 98 fewer vikings..

asciilifeform: now driven by servos, driven by gps/glonas/etc

asciilifeform: my understanding is that various things have been roboticized on current boats - steering, possibly even sail trim/raise/lower.

asciilifeform did not sail with him, cannot testify how much he cheats

asciilifeform: quite possible

asciilifeform: lel

asciilifeform: as most sail people appear to.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: orlov. he cheats with diesel motor when in port.

asciilifeform: ;;later tell ben_vulpes did 'ruby on rails' for mac os ever ACTUALLY WORK?? https://github.com/sparklemotion/nokogiri/issues/1206 << seems like not ?

asciilifeform: or the vikings.

asciilifeform: tell it to orlov.

asciilifeform: lame!

asciilifeform: 70ft is respectable schooner, no?

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-10#1480516 << off duty?! who will work the sails ? ☝︎

asciilifeform: $up gabriel_laddel

asciilifeform: my q is, if 'dickless failure' gets yacht, what does dickful success get ? aircraft carrier ?

asciilifeform: what's 'dickless' or 'failed' about a 40ft yacht full of benjies ?

asciilifeform: (with pubkey barrier, he cannot)

asciilifeform: by sending rubbish.

asciilifeform: it MUST go 'inside' the 'user' end, because otherwise enemy can cause you to waste pad.

asciilifeform: which?

asciilifeform: (it is possible to use amp with higher slew rate and get moar bitz. but i deliberately used conservative design, with common parts)

asciilifeform: to get the 2 hour fill, you will need at least 32 of mine.