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asciilifeform: as would be the case in a mircea_popescuated shiva trb.
asciilifeform: of which there can be >1 !
asciilifeform: the press head results in walking backwards in time, to the genesis.
asciilifeform: thing is, operator doesn't specifically start from anything. he specifies a press head (if that. in one variant contemplated earlier by mircea_popescu, one does not even specify press head, but instead walk longest chain having sigs S1...Sn)
asciilifeform: any other usage is nyooz to me.
asciilifeform: mod6: per my v, that and only that is what a 'genesis' is.
asciilifeform: granted if trinque ~specifically~ gets off on watching the offspring sprout, there is little that can be done for him by engineer.
asciilifeform: to make the activity INDISTINGUISHABLE from exactly the wanted thing, minus the undesired sequelae.
asciilifeform: ^ this is PRECISELY what i mean by cutting apart.
asciilifeform: trinque: elaborate ?
asciilifeform: note, elementarily it finds its way back to the genesis (or dies trying) and there is never any need to ~specify~ a genesis or the like.
asciilifeform: and we're done.
asciilifeform: well, in my original v, ./v.py patches p patches/mod6_something_or_other_bleeding_edge_leaf.vpatch
asciilifeform: mod6: i am somewhat perplexed re what you are asking
asciilifeform: the latter is the union of all of your ~possible~ trustcones.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'trust cone' is subset of your light cone.
asciilifeform: light cone is what you get when you find the intersection of one particular observer's notion of 'i can see WHOLE UNIVERSE!1111' with... reality.
asciilifeform: the thing i was trying to invoke there was situation with, e.g., ancient greeks, who cite works that are no longer around.
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: this idea only ever could become actually important as time marches on and things are lost.
asciilifeform: in that i COULD use it (if i took enough dope)
asciilifeform: say it turns out that nsa was using v, and their patch leaks, even this is 'part of my lightcone'
asciilifeform: 'light cone' is simply ALL vpatches, by ANYONE, that you know about.
asciilifeform: mod6: not the concept i had in mind.
asciilifeform: (simply add comment in the part1 items as part of part2 patch)
asciilifeform: if anybody wants to roll shiva in as part of his lineage, i recommend linking up part1 and part2 as mircea_popescu describes here.
asciilifeform: since the last time we had this thread.
asciilifeform: actually i'm sold on this
asciilifeform: the only way to build shiva is by pressing dual-headed.
asciilifeform: this is quite true.
asciilifeform: so they are not v-relatives.
asciilifeform: part 2 DOESN'T TOUCH part 1
asciilifeform: it isn't broken in any sense
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/patches/asciilifeform_shiva_part_1_of_2 << the shiva genesis.
asciilifeform: each creates the respective foundational thing out of thin air.
asciilifeform: neither has antecedents.
asciilifeform: trb-genesis, and shiva-genesis.
asciilifeform: it has unmistakeably dual genesis.
asciilifeform: look at, e.g., shiva.
asciilifeform: there is no such animal in v as it exists today.
asciilifeform: a genesis is simply a vpatch with no antecedents.
asciilifeform: nooope.
asciilifeform: they are still genesi
asciilifeform: until i create patch with G1 and G2 as antecedents.
asciilifeform: nope
asciilifeform: 'each own universe' until i invoke both and suddenly - collapsed into one.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=experimental&search= << example.
asciilifeform: we ALREADY DO
asciilifeform: sure as fuck you can
asciilifeform: and i want to quote it twice. whatever.
asciilifeform: perhaps H is hash of 'hamlet'.
asciilifeform: regardless of where or why.
asciilifeform: so long as i invoke H as precedent - it is valid.
asciilifeform: vs always and forever, wherever.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i don't see why a genesis with hash H has to be 'meta'-limited to only be antecedentable as 'part of project P'
asciilifeform: i don't see how
asciilifeform: the alternative is to discard the notion of project re vpatches
asciilifeform: hey that's lowball figure - a start.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-08#1400017 << see also. ☝︎
asciilifeform: though it is moar correct to think of one's 'patch light cone'
asciilifeform: correct
asciilifeform: n a letter to Mr. Obama, Mr. Scott sought two forms of federal aid: “provision of health and safety measures,” as well as “management, control and reduction of immediate threats to public health and safety.” An emergency declaration would give Florida up to $5 million in initial federal funding.'
asciilifeform: 'Gov. Rick Scott of Florida said on Monday that he had asked Mr. Obama to issue a federal emergency declaration for his state. “Yesterday’s terror attack was an attack on our state and entire nation,” Mr. Scott said in a statement. “This morning, I have asked President Obama to declare an emergency so that the full resources of the federal government can be made available for all those impacted by this horrific massacre.” I
asciilifeform: ^ who speaks like this...?
asciilifeform: 'When asked during the news conference if there was a chance that people might have been struck by friendly fire or in the crossfire, Chief Mina said: “I will say that is all part of the investigation. But I will say when our SWAT officers, about eight or nine officers, opened fire, their backdrop was a concrete wall. And they were being fired upon, so that is all part of the investigation.”'
asciilifeform: re yesterday's lulz:
asciilifeform: if we duplicate shithub, it will be a loss.
asciilifeform: it is the easy solution, but imho mistake.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-13#1481822 << the 'canonical version' thing is what made my ears stand ☝︎
asciilifeform: yeah saw
asciilifeform: ( mircea_popescu do you happen to have the link handy to this thread ? )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-13#1481822 << mircea_popescu made a very convincing argument in favour of ~not~ having a central repo of any kind, but rather - if anything - a streamlined mechanism for each lord (including mod6 & ben_vulpes under the banner of trb foundation) to put ~his own trb~ in usable format on ~his own~ www ☝︎
asciilifeform: it is THERE, after all.
asciilifeform: should be able to simply... use.
asciilifeform: if i want to use, e.g., shiva genesis, in some other tool, there is no reason to duplicate it
asciilifeform: the segmentation into 'projects' is unnecessary carryover from old world.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mod6 if i want trb i don't need to ask for '/trb/whateverthefuck-fixes-retardation.vpatch', asking for whateverthefuck-fixes-retardation.vpatch must suffice !
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mod6 http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-13#1481818 << nooooooooooo this is catastrophic mistake. rationally pulling down the deps for the thing you want is WHY WE HAVE V. ☝︎
asciilifeform: ah nm he found it.
asciilifeform: (re http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-14#1481870 ) ☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-19#1377638 ? ☝︎
asciilifeform: just shoot the hole, it is moar humane.
asciilifeform: ugh
asciilifeform: for fucks sake BingoBoingo get a working drill.
asciilifeform: why not, in same spirit, dynamite.
asciilifeform: ^
asciilifeform: wtf would you impact driver wood or plastic.
asciilifeform: in what ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: sure.
asciilifeform: nfi.
asciilifeform: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-12/isis-unveiled-us-kill-list-last-week-including-600-florida-residents << moar lulzies.
asciilifeform: everything from scrap iron, to calculating machinez, to fischer-tropsch process.
asciilifeform: and various american industrialists were busy as bees selling to germany.
asciilifeform: usa was not in the war!1111
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: with which there was no war yet.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu did say 'pearl harbour' no ?
asciilifeform: war wasn't declared until dec. 7, 41.
asciilifeform: ringing commercial relations between the nations to an effective end. One week later Roosevelt embargoed the export of such grades of oil as still were in commercial flow to Japan.”[2] The British and the Dutch followed suit, embargoing exports to Japan from their colonies in southeast Asia.'
asciilifeform: authority, “[o]n July 31, exports of aviation motor fuels and lubricants and No. 1 heavy melting iron and steel scrap were restricted.” Next, in a move aimed at Japan, Roosevelt slapped an embargo, effective October 16, “on all exports of scrap iron and steel to destinations other than Britain and the nations of the Western Hemisphere.” Finally, on July 26, 1941, Roosevelt “froze Japanese assets in the United States, thus b