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mircea_popescu: ascii_field so that db, can't it be snapshotted by
a third thing ?
ascii_field: which do not communicate except via sharing
a db.
ascii_field: this, too, means rewriting
a good chunk of the thing.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field can't it be made to dump the product to disk along with some state every however long ? once
a day ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field was quoting from
a summary of that ast debate someone linked.
mircea_popescu: "I recognize that you don't want me to "change the subject" to refactoring, but I don't see this as
a change of subject."
mircea_popescu: ascii_field 24 hours is within range. even, maybe,
a week.
mircea_popescu: software that's more friable than the hardware is
a bad idea.
ascii_field: supposing the place is actually
a data center and has ~some~ backup power
ascii_field: if i can put
a 12v lead-acid cell in the 1u colo,
kakobrekla: once
a year ends up at 90% utilization which is acceptable, no ?
mircea_popescu: stop using whatever it takes, but the idea is, if
a power outage
a season means it does no useful work worth the mention, we can't have it. because we no longer live in the world of our forefathers, where shit worked. even obama gets power interrupted once
a year.
ascii_field: kakobrekla: laugh, but that's where it lived for 1st year and
a half
ascii_field: iirc what mircea_popescu painstakingly explained in that old thread is that there is not, of course,
a magical incantation which makes
a 'revoked' key stop working
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't fault you for ignoring them. i would fault you for "handling" an undefined concept in
a weird way.
assbot: Logged on 01-09-2015 20:19:54; mircea_popescu: i'm spending
a lot more than 1k / mo on hosting. in fact i spend more on servers living space than on women living space, for my sins ;/
assbot: Logged on 15-05-2015 03:34:04; assbot: Logged on 14-05-2015 21:44:05; ascii_field: i'm kinda curious why mircea_popescu considers
a new key signed with
a previous key to not be
a logical continuation of the same identity. (is it because of the impossibility of hard-guaranteed revocation, as discussed in previous thread?)
mats: because search is broken i am having trouble discovering the revocation thread. anyone have
a link, or would mind explaining implications for e.g. keyserver?
mircea_popescu: and his solution to it was
a sort of "so i'll release just the tip"
assbot: Logged on 01-09-2015 16:00:06; mats: conspiracy aside, probably just twenty years of glue and paperclips on
a design nobody ever expected to be in production
mircea_popescu: i'm spending
a lot more than 1k / mo on hosting. in fact i spend more on servers living space than on women living space, for my sins ;/
☟︎ mircea_popescu: and what exactly diverge you mean ? someone offered you half
a rack for 500 except if you wish to touch it it's 19500 ?
ascii_field: certainly 2btc doesn't buy so much as
a parking space here where ~i~ live
jurov: since i planned
a rack onyl once so far, not something i'm proud of
mircea_popescu: jurov but to be perfectly clear, this is
a deal where you physically have access to the boxes in question and nobody else touches them
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: ah point is to explain that 'cage' is
a kind of standard term, like 'barrel' in petro industry
mircea_popescu: ascii_field and
a traditional wife cooks. what's your point.
mircea_popescu: another very important chunk of the story is the fallout from the "causes not purposes" philosophy. all b-
a software exists because, not for, and this is HOW we end up with things like "well we now have this v-jewel, what's it for ?"
mircea_popescu: phf more layers to it but as
a first approximation yea
phf: i think at issue is not really collision, but getting someone else to construct
a todo list for you..
phf: mike_c: ah but it's not true that nobody has those lists. ascii has one, i'm sure does mp, mod6 and ben_vulpes. i keep one too from reading the logs in
a text file
mike_c: But I agree with your point about avoiding
a lot of unsigned commentary
ascii_field: mike_c: can you think of
a time when two+ people ended up doing the same things?
phf: mike_c: do you have
a todo list for bitcoind written somewhere? or for v?
mike_c: perhaps then less is more. just
a todo-list with open/closed and claimed/unclaimed. communication all stays on mailing list
assbot: Logged on 01-09-2015 19:21:09; mircea_popescu: jurov half
a cage is what, 4u ?
ascii_field: and now we have unsigned text and
a centralized place to pwn and track activity
ascii_field: would this be true of
a hypothetical 'bugtracker with v' ?
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assbot: Logged on 31-05-2015 22:36:03; jurov: I personally got only an offer to share
a rack with 4x100MBit(can be upgraded to giga) and 4xIPv4 for 500 euro/mo
assbot: Logged on 05-08-2015 03:55:05; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he still has
a point.
a) we're careening dangerously towards -dev levels and b) people can't fucking follow wtf is on that list.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i did most of
a linguistics degree, can do certain things
mircea_popescu: mike_c incidentally the reason i won't recite
a todo list for v (and deleted alf's proposed list) is specifically because we don't even understand yet fully its implication. bitcoin-like.
mircea_popescu: in any case the concept of "democratic self management" is about as idiotic as it gets. like
a one-legged chair.
mircea_popescu: phf the way "claiming" has to date worked in b-
a has been as
a gubernatorial function, mostly me encouraging/discouraging people from certain projects.
phf: mike_c: there's
a recent openbsd presentation that argues against claiming. their point is that the problem of duplicate effort is
a lot rarer then lock grabs. and i must add duplicate effort always results in increased understanding if both solutions are analyzed
mircea_popescu: (that list MUST be kept. in one head, or
a collection of heads approximable to one head.
trinque: might not be
a bad thing that they do all duplicate effort
mircea_popescu: ie,
a mega system deployed by billions of people in
a million different nooks and crannies
mircea_popescu: trinque that spirit is right, but it can't become
a "vchain technologee in your fridge" thing
ascii_field: 'v' is for small groups of t3rr0r1stz who all quasi-know each other and share
a wot
trinque: damned precise approach to
a single problem
mike_c: what, managaing
a todo list?
ascii_field: i dare say this may be an example of the kind of thing one doesn't actually need unless already in
a state of dire sin
mike_c: having
a provable and validated package of code is important enough to have something like V. not sure tracking bugs needs to be so rigorous
trinque: and at that, maybe it's
a docs folder in the actual bitcoind project
mike_c: I will, but scattered todo lists in various places, feels like it needs
a little project management.
mircea_popescu is still waiting for someone to murder get
a freelancer with
trinque: betcha not
a single person did this right either, as with VCS
mike_c: i don't care
a whit for it specifically, more for some kind of issue tracking generally.
ascii_field: trac iirc is
a www-based bug ticketing thing ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: no but reality means that if i have to spend two weeks appearing in
a courtroom, for whatever reason, i starve.
mircea_popescu: reality isn't like, you pick if to be an archer or
a tank like fucking wow.
mircea_popescu: you're the fucking same thing in
a different color scheme already!
ascii_field: trinque: understand what an llc without
a dime of income or so much as threatening to earn any, looks like ?
mircea_popescu: im telling you, whether you'll like it or not : this conversation is to me indistinguishable from conversation with blondy who has decided "she doesn't have
a math head". meanwhile she has exceptionally keen eye for shoes, to
a degree most math heads could not keep up.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: if i did not put my income through it, then it is
a plain tax shelter and this lasts precisely five seconds if anyone so much as farts on it
mircea_popescu: ascii_field that was entirely
a different story. he was trying to organise his coding income through
a llc.
assbot: Logged on 01-09-2015 17:56:08; mircea_popescu: the appearance of "costs" is what's known in poker as
a trap. to keep the fucktards out. so dun be
a fucktard, you can think, there's no rule that you may only think about coding or something. think all through, the same way, everywhere.
trinque: what
a shithole of
a state.
mircea_popescu: "oh, doctoring is
a privileged activity, if some people die that's just not mentioned ;
a functioning society is pointedly not
a privileged activity, if anyone dies we'll put it in the newspaper".
assbot: Logged on 01-09-2015 11:07:45; shinohai: Perhaps he could be described as
a member of the species whose brain has not yet fully evolved.
mircea_popescu: don't credit newspapers just because they're newspapers when you know in your own field what
a shitfest they are ; don't expect the laws etc are anythig but badly written, poorly maintained code full of holes. as reverse-engineerable as anything else.
mircea_popescu: the appearance of "costs" is what's known in poker as
a trap. to keep the fucktards out. so dun be
a fucktard, you can think, there's no rule that you may only think about coding or something. think all through, the same way, everywhere.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: ascii_field you're
a smart kid, do the math. or better yet, have the girl do the math.
mircea_popescu: actually
a honest signal to all the twerps involved not to mess around.
mircea_popescu: your company rents
a place from some other company to crimp the ceo (ie, you)
ascii_field: it isn't. just
a sheepskin not worth the tanning
punkman: unfortunately, I don't yet own
a datacenter in the Congo
trinque: alright, when do we buy
a cruise ship?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i did think about this, earlier; principal obstacle is the provision of adequate cooling in my sorry hovel. but in the absence of
a better idea, will have to resort to this
mircea_popescu: it'll be cheaper than paying
a coin
a month for 10 months i'm sure, and we also get the added advantage that we put all the eggs in your basket
mircea_popescu: how about you pick out
a system, i buy it, and then you run nsa from home.
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: i'd settle for
a welded 1u with internal 12v battery