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diana_coman: otherwise there isn'
t any hello as such, just send directly whatever it wants/needs, encrypted with one of the X keys and that's that
diana_coman: but it's needed only when client doesn'
t have any X keys for whatever reason basically, right?
mircea_popescu: i know this isn'
t how it works now and hasn'
t been for a long time, but i'm ready to move on!!1
diana_coman: re creating account: it obviously needs the client's public rsa and atm that one is nowhere in there, yes; I thought you didn'
t want them in there because it's not just about "a rsa key" but rather one registered with deedbot sort of thing
diana_coman: uhm, dunno about that certainty there; maybe client doesn'
t want to keep serpent keys between sessions for all I know
diana_coman: I'm still not convinced it has to be; if it gets lower than 1 and client hasn'
t asked, I'd just disconnect them and they can get back with a hello that is low priority and they..w.ait
mircea_popescu: i don'
t have this modelled well enough to say it with certainty ; but it seems to me 3 is a reasonable choice.
diana_coman: server wants to look after clients so they don'
t end up without keys; it can, sure; all I'm saying is that I don'
t quite see the reason for this; perhaps other than "clients are idiots, let's at least avoid the case where they end up going hello hello all the time"
diana_coman: so server sets threshold at 3; why can'
t I decide I want that at 2 and you at 5 and so on
diana_coman: but if you don'
t know that you don'
t have...
mircea_popescu: but basically the idea for X keys is to work like that, if you don'
t have any server makes, if you make them then server uses .
diana_coman: I don'
t quite follow why is server concerned with client's stock of X keys? client can request new keys, burn them, do whatever it wants as it decides how often it wants new keys
mircea_popescu: X keys only ; R key is one. and server is concerned because if it has no client X keys, it can'
t send, and if the client has no server X keys, the server can'
t receive.
diana_coman: I don'
t quite follow why is server concerned with client's stock of R keys? client can request new keys, burn them, do whatever it wants as it decides how often it wants new keys
mircea_popescu: now obviously, this approach wouldn'
t be nearly as useful for dynamically linked clients ; but i deem the fact that it puts the security incentive on dumping dynamic linking a very good thing.
mircea_popescu: now subsidiary for all this : server should generate a batch of X keys and send them to the client every time its store of either S or C X keys drops under a certain value. it's therefore the client responsibility to make sure there's enough keys in store if it doesn'
t want to pay for key generation. now, what should this threshold be ? 3 ?
mircea_popescu: like this, server must not lose its R privkey and clients must not lose their R privkey , but pubkeys of all these can be safely lost, and X keys don'
t matter at all. seems altogether safer and less friable.
mircea_popescu: if A fails to respond, S will close the connection, practically meaning that A can'
t claim to be A unless he keeps some X keys about. which is something A-implementers must be aware of.
spyked: well, I didn'
t say it *doesn'
t* have an OS. just trying to figure out what that is :D
mircea_popescu: ye olde sld-7001 (check me out, meanwhile i found it!)'s os is GP, notwithstanding it won'
t run your "intelligent" lawnmower.
mircea_popescu: the confounding factor here is pantsuitist outlook, whereby some retard (the user) regards self as meausre of all things and imagines all vectors start from him, and therefore in his boneheaded approach to the world, "general purpose os" means something about him. it fucking doesn'
t, a general purpose os isn'
t one joe schcmucktoe can put on a stick and carry around and "it'll work on all computers he encounters".
spyked: mircea_popescu, I don'
t see a fundamental problem with special-purpose os (which is why I mentioned "bitcoin node os" as one, though it *could* in principle be implemented as a particular instance of a general-purpose os). embedded hardware (e.g. requiring timing constriants) is full of them.
mircea_popescu: you don'
t understand the game of world politics and international intrigue of the web! you're supposed to not tell things! THERES TERRORISTS OUT THERE.
trinque: ckang: no, I'll have the deedbot keys pulled down in an hour; they'll then be able to withdraw, whoever can'
t mircea_popescu: the jury is still out, as far as i'm concerned, on whether the os that loses control of a machine is still an os, meaning it's not altogether clear to me the basic-whatever combo they had at the time actually constitutes an os. but the problem FUCKING ISNT the naive perception at the time, "oh, it didn'
t hjave icons to click like windows 3.1". windows 3.1 was not an os ; nor was any other windows product an os. microsoft ship
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-17#1800909 << wasn'
t, no. and yes, the ti-89, sure. or my ancient citizen solar powered item which i haven'
t seen for 15 years at the least but which was revolutionary for its time and literally worked by degrees -- if you obstructed two of its cell it could still slightly power the screen so it did.
☝︎ ascii_lander: ('-connect' doesn'
t do quite this; it makes own node a slave-only)
mircea_popescu: the only guarantee is you won'
t have outside node talking to 2 locals.
ascii_lander: current trb (not speaking of my 'wires' attempt) doesn'
t give you this behaviour
mircea_popescu: so adding more nodes in bbistan helps, somewhat. it doesn'
t help the pipe, but it spreads the load among boxes.
ascii_lander: mircea_popescu: yea verily, this is possibly the 1 commonplace thing where they definitely won'
t shine
ascii_lander: lobbes: iirc current trb won'
t even ever simult-connect to 2+ nodes nearby in ip space
mircea_popescu: lobbes, ascii_lander the blockchain isn'
t even 50gb yet. so it'll work for years.
esthlos: hanbot et al: my mp-wp seems borked: when trying to make a new post, the "tab" to switch to raw HTML is greyed out and does nothing, and HTML tags are ignored. Also, the visual editing features aren'
t showing at all. Any ideas?
trinque would stare at the thing the whole time, eventually lost interest. "that ain'
t coming off or getting covered"
jaxxie: I can'
t find a black one
trinque: nah pinged before. also can'
t ssh
douchebag: don'
t mean to bother you, just reminding
douchebag: trinque: don'
t forget about Brittt too
trinque: seems like for some reason some of these aren'
t making it through the registration process
trinque did one for mircea_popescu, wouldn'
t be opposed to doing one for you.
diana_coman: it's a pity there isn'
t really time now to experiment with this machine as the server has been down for long enough already, ugh;
danielpbarron: also my recipe almost certainly doesn'
t work anymore, but it's a good starting point
ascii_lander: mircea_popescu: own, which is much moar 'plane jane', isn'
t musltronic yet sadly
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, oh the why not irc, i'd have to ask for more specifics but generally he's pretty busy as it is, and he doesn'
t like to hang out with non believers too much
mircea_popescu: well, if he does it in channel he'll prolly get whacked. if he pms them... whatever. maybe freenode won'
t like it.
mircea_popescu: "well gee! if you can trnaslate it for me, why can'
t it all be about what i want to do anyway ?"
danielpbarron: i don'
t see the point, as it's not part of the Bible
danielpbarron: if there is one person in the fellow that won'
t consent to wholesome words, and everyone else withdraws, is that not like casting the one out?
danielpbarron: if someone won'
t consent to wholesome words, they are without faith and should be cast out
a111: Logged on 2016-12-21 18:32 mircea_popescu: because no, words don'
t "have meanings". your meanings for ANY WORD are a function of ALL THE OTHER WORDS YOU KNOW. which is why my definitions regularily blow out english dictionaries, wikipedia and other sources of "wisdom" out of the water - i know more words, and in this knowledge i know all the words i know ~better~. infinitely and irreproducibly so.
trinque concedes it's a bias of his own, left the church young on the basis of "magic book didn'
t prevent lying shitbags from infecting the magic book building"
mircea_popescu: and it won'
t work for you. not just because you're late to the game, they're about to put out the lights. it wouldn'
t have worked for you in the 90s, only, "surprised by wealth" half-stories & assorted gargle notwithstanding.
mircea_popescu: the reasonable expectation is that he'd have descended into madness by now ; which is the root impetuus of why the discussion even took place. "i wonder how the hell this guy hasn'
t shot anyone".
mircea_popescu: 5. fast forward TWO DECADES. the guy lives with a small group in nature's own poverty in rural ok, then 5.a. refuses ~7 grand windfall on principle grounds but 5.b. does actually show up, ie, his refusal isn'
t the common "nyah nyah nyah can'
t hear anything" sort.
mircea_popescu: trinque, "go to church" doesn'
t begin to describe it. here's the story as condensed by intel :
☟︎ trinque: danielpbarron: you go to Darwin_Fish's church? doesn'
t seem like a half-bad guy.
douchebag: I know, I haven'
t had any girls pm you since you told me to last time. I just figured I would mention that the bot was behaving strangely for her incase that was an issue you'd be interested in
ben_vulpes: "application binary interface" changed radically during that time, but it won'
t bother you because buildroot has its own gcc
nodehelp: that's ok that the system isn'
t touched, but on thebitcoin.foundation site is specified to use a 4.x of gcc g++, can i ask if there is an easy way to downgrade gcc 6 to 4?
mircea_popescu: nodehelp, what ben_vulpes said ; it doesn'
t use the system much.
mircea_popescu: but really, i don'
t know of a linux it doesn'
t work on, so if you find it say.
trinque: douchebag: don'
t misunderstand it for interest
mircea_popescu: consider also that especioally b is problematic as trb isn';
t ~really~ intended to be used in a home environment ; and racked servers may not provide your video whatever.
mircea_popescu: Darwin_Fish, another advantage of having a blog is that you don'
t have to type everything by hand all the time. meet new people, have ready library of explanations and references. i find it QUITE empowering.
mircea_popescu: zx2c4, it doesn'
t pay enough to save ? i made more money than i knew what to do with during my stint.
trinque: nodehelp: I don'
t care to discuss it with you.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-14 21:22 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-14#1799029 << anyway, i wouldn'
t simplify it quite to that point. obviously there's a pull and there's a push way to make money, and if i propose to some guy, "do x, get y" it's my push not his pull, and obviously if he wants to pull instead of waiting to b pushed aroundhe gotta do pull-y sorta things. but anyways.
mircea_popescu: nodehelp, so then, 20mins or something. doesn'
t seem slow, just, large file.
Darwin_Fish: People don'
t believe the Bible, even those who claim to
mircea_popescu: whereas terrorist org couldn'
t give less of a shit about a weaker other org.
zx2c4: if secret government scientists are lightyears ahead of "entirely worthless" academics, and they have secret attacks on everything academia is currently okay with, then i guess it's game over, and we have to wait until we're at a ripe old age to read the history books on the secret mathematics of our present age. i dont really share this point of view though. and even aside from the factual validity of it, it doesn'
t seem like a psychologically
mircea_popescu: Darwin_Fish, but your source for what god declared is a book which a guy wrote and some other guys maybe didn'
t alter (too much).
mircea_popescu: zx2c4, understand, the expectation here isn'
t "longer, therefore better". the situation is as described above, my key budget is 4096 bits, both ecc and rsa are ok by this measure.
mircea_popescu: Darwin_Fish, so you don'
t believe there's a sexual motivation in work ?
mircea_popescu: how
T?HE FUCK can you even look at anything nsa says other than "this is what the liars are pushing these days" ? hm ?
mircea_popescu: zx2c4, i proposition that the smaller the key, the smaller the key. this can'
t be meaningless.
mircea_popescu: but... listen. isn'
t this the whole entire proposition of manhood, both biologically and socio-historically, "go ye and make a pile of resources so females may be attracted thereby" ?
zx2c4: all of them? some of the advantages are indisputable like key size and computation speed and implementation ease. im guessing you dont believe there's a security advantage over RSA? you're not soothed by the fact that many attacks against RSA dont work with ECC? okay, but that still doesn'
t discredit the indisputable advantages. so then maybe your position is that ECC has _weaker_ security than RSA for various reasons? that'd be a more interesting
mircea_popescu: Darwin_Fish, isn'
t it silly, to ruin a long standing relationship like that, over what was in the end a small error ?
Darwin_Fish: He actually didn'
t end up owing anything, so he said later
zx2c4: always swirling data around, so not only do you not know who's talking when, but you don'
t know who's talking to whom
Darwin_Fish: He couldn'
t stop spending money he shouldn'
t be spending (i.e. creating debt)
Darwin_Fish: It takes patience to answer why repeatedly. It also takes understanding, which most people don'
t have
mircea_popescu: zx2c4, i don'
t mean random (20,200). i just mean, the size of your smallest non-zero packet. was it 8 or what was it ?
zx2c4: otherwords, an attacker still knows that the protocol has gone silent, because one side will stop responding. it sounds to me like what you would prefer is for both sides always to be talking and chatting -- always, and with garbage when not with real data -- to trip of traffic analysis. that's a legitimate desire, and there are many other additional things can add to protocols to further trip up traffic analysis. wireguard distinctly isn'
t focused
mircea_popescu: zx2c4, but the option isn'
t exactly "send nothing or send 0 length message". the option is "send nothing / zero length message OR send the time".
Darwin_Fish: By the way, God doesn'
t believe in atheists
Darwin_Fish: I consider an atheist religious. But, of course there are plenty of people who say and don'
t do