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mircea_popescu: evidently,
the
thing
that does
THE REINSTALLING is
the os.
mircea_popescu: actually, let me rephrase : how could an item
that can need reinstalling be called an os ?
mircea_popescu: what sort of piece of shit os is
this whereby system breakage
to
the level where bsod is possible!
phf: i missed a point re phk
though. is
the idea
that "scripted os-reinstall" is a bad idea, or
that it's insufficient?
mircea_popescu: come
to
think of it, he was at
the fortefront of
the whole "object oriented" "revolution" also, wasn't he.
mircea_popescu: in fact, o'reilly has
the unique distinction of having produced more crap per unit useful
than ~everything known
to man, including
the anglican church,
the various other protestants and so on
phf: actually, no, we were
talking about o'reilly and web 2.0
phf: i'm pretty sure we had
that in
thread
mircea_popescu: incidentally, do we agree
that o'reilly pushing esr idiocy ("bazaar") is responsible for 2001 bubble in
the same way aol is responsible for 1993 and lehman for 2007 ?
mircea_popescu: now
THAT is always & guaranteed "certain degree of believe not what your eyes show you but what
the book
tells you"
phf: well,
the bar is set very low
mircea_popescu: dem
thoughts dun really seem all
that provoked, what can i say.
mircea_popescu: kinda same with p-h kamp (and all
the rest of
them at
that) : hurr durr design, hurr durr
thought provoking, herp-derp scripted os-reinstall. nigga... are you a priest or aren't you ?
mircea_popescu: much
to his shock and horror,
the rearview mirror shows brains and guts scattered everywhere
mircea_popescu: then
there's a pedestrian, and
the guy, wanting
to put a little meat behind his joke, sorta drives
the car
towards him and steers away at
the last minute
mircea_popescu: priest wants
to know what is
that
thing on
the hood ? and guy explains slyly
that "well,
this is a german car, you know,
they're a warlike people. so you aim pedestrians with
that and well..."
mircea_popescu: whenever i read stuff
these people (1990s era graybeards) have
to say i always get a feeling of
that mercedes-riding-priest.
mircea_popescu: phf what scares me most is what
the man who seems
to appreciate f p brooks also
thinks
the "tricks of
the
trade" are,
to verbatim, "test-restoring backups, scripting operating-system installs, version control, etc".
phf: pantsuit publishing doesn't standup
to
tmsr rigorous and requires certain amount of archeology
to get straight
phf: well,
the book was published in 99!
phf: i wonder if
that bit was added by
the editors
phf: mircea_popescu: it's also possible
that he's referring
to
the original publication of esr's essay,
that predated
the book by couple of years
a111: Logged on 2017-12-03 21:04 BingoBoingo: Well, if
this holds up 12500 could be passed when I am in
transit
mircea_popescu: phf but how could it have been published in 2012 if
the author
thinks it was written in 2014 ?
phf: asciilifeform: "present as just happened" was unintentional, but otherwise
that sounds about right, 2012 publication, hackernews
thread is from roughly
the same
time
mircea_popescu: architecturally what's
the multics / unics connection ?
that both had a shell ?
mircea_popescu: but still. at least cp/m had a rivalry with dos vaguely reminescent of linux/windoze
thing
mircea_popescu: anyway, i dun personally see
the link between unix and multics beyond "well,
thompson and ritchie!!"
a111: Logged on 2016-01-21 19:50 asciilifeform: when you push it,
the word правильно (CORRECT)
mircea_popescu: people such as here present will claim
that bolix or something like
that worked, but i have my reservations. and in any case lispm wasn't "unix",
though cathedral alright.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-03 20:42 jurov: What does
the "beautiful cathedral of unix"
that he uses in a contrast, mean?
mircea_popescu: but otherwise yes,
the "bazaar" utter practical failure and completly irredemable
theoretical idiocy is an established point.
mircea_popescu: phf i don't understand
the dating scheme involved. page says august 15, 2012,
text refers
to 2001 as "13 years ago" (so was it 2014 ?) and you present it as an event
that just happened ? which is it ?
mircea_popescu: “I don't
think
the appeal
to authority fallacy will fly here. We are all
too smart for
that.” << bwahahaha.
two smart by half,
the
tards.
mircea_popescu: so full excision also acceptable approach.
tbh i dun recall
this ever having been
the problem.
mircea_popescu: also afaik
the pngs etc are 100% within ~the
theme~ which was not originally bundled.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-03 17:31 phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-03#1745764 << i recall we ran into
the issue of vpatch-ing binaries
that hasn't been resolved. wp admin interface relies on a lot of png's and gif's
that it's not clear how
to stuff into a vpatch without a superfluous "make" phase
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's
the number
the gut feeling indicator had a hunch on
a111: Logged on 2017-12-03 17:12 asciilifeform: which somehow (dun ask me) is intended
to make folx swallow
the crock of shit , rather
than wanting
to burn whole edifice down ? nfi.
BingoBoingo: Well, if
this holds up 12500 could be passed when I am in
transit
☟︎ BingoBoingo: Plenty of shitty cathedrals out
there, not like we are
talking Basillica or anything
jurov: or if,
then msdos was even more a cathedral!
jurov: neither deserves
to be called cathedral...
jurov: Surely not pervasive use of gets() and "when it segfaults when passed
too long line, it's user's fault"?
jurov: What does
the "beautiful cathedral of unix"
that he uses in a contrast, mean?
☟︎ phf: apparently he also argues for fits in head as
the only proper measure elsewhere, but i can't find
the source of quote (possibly person who implied it is a log reader, and just reused
the variety speak)
a111: Logged on 2017-04-04 15:43 asciilifeform:
the far bigger boojum is
that ~95% of
the
tarballs include megabytes of autoconf liquishit.
phf: right,
that might work, a
tar xf into
the same vpatch'ed structure (since you need
to place
those artifacts just right)
phf: i
think someone was suggesting converting all
the png's and gif's into svg, for example, and other like hacks
a111: Logged on 2017-12-03 11:49 mircea_popescu: and speaking of
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-15#1739096 : it's my recollection
that when i released mp-wp,
the deal was somebody picks it up and genesises it. i dun recall right off who, was it you shinohai ? or ben_vulpes ?
phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-03#1745764 << i recall we ran into
the issue of vpatch-ing binaries
that hasn't been resolved. wp admin interface relies on a lot of png's and gif's
that it's not clear how
to stuff into a vpatch without a superfluous "make" phase
☝︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: "from experience, we want intelligence
that's not
too intelligent"
mircea_popescu: "oh,
the sort of idiot reading
this only goes 3 nodes deep, we make 4 nodes deep nonsense, 100% proof!"