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nubbins`: i have
a $100Tn bill upstairs that says "not so well"
anton_osika: So I would say that
a payment - if I deliver some sort of verification - would strengthen the credibility of MP. As well as bitcoin-assets as
a whole.
anton_osika: Say we are hit by
a 1859 solar EMP or the like.
trinque: anton_osika: hold onto
a key and you might keep it!
nubbins`: anton_osika i could prove beyond
a reasonable doubt that i am who i say i am, and everyone in here would be convinced, but i'm still not executing that SSW without
a key
mircea_popescu: anton_osika really, figure out how to keep
a safe key. it's not that hard, and it IS the only actual underpinning of humanity these days.
nubbins`: i've always found black-bg websites
a nightmare to read
nubbins`: mircea_popescu that's
a succinct explanation
trinque: mod6: thought I'd make your eyes bleed
a little less
trinque: anton_osika: supposedly gox "owes me" several btc to this day. and guess what, there's even
a "legal system" invovled with that case. what do you think my odds are on receiving the btc back?
mircea_popescu: trinque i actually won, and it was imo
a worse outcome. i nigh on ended up believing in the shit.
trinque: anton_osika: the lesson here is worth far more than
a student's 600-700 bucks
mircea_popescu: "The implications are obviously enormous here. After going through this thread and being somewhat convinced, I picked
a few photos (widely available from
a google image search) and did my own (very basic) comparisons."
nubbins`: nevermind that it doesn't have your photo and it's just
a sheet of paper run thru
a laser printer anyway.
nubbins`: you're trying to cross an international border using
a high school diploma as photo ID.
nubbins`: i could quite literally come back here in three weeks with
a USA passport bearing my face and your name.
anton_osika: My case is that in any contract - such as one with
a bank - an identity boils down to what is tru without any probable doubt.
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 16:54:14; asciilifeform: e to attempting to match the TI-89's level of automation. The fact that Mathematica, Sage, etc. also will not perform these simplifications without
a 'hint' makes me feel
a little better, but the question remains: How on earth did the TI engineers manage to do this with literally
a tiny, tiny fraction of the computing power
a desktop has?'
nubbins`: antonosika here's another thing: suppose you show us
a passport that says "anton osika" on it. how do we know you, today, are the same anton osika from last year?
mircea_popescu: anton_osika just, irl, because irl is dedicated to the survival of the least fit, if you lose your id there's
a mechanism to get another one.
anton_osika: mircea_popescu: Thats
a very valid comparison.
nubbins`: now 1 year later you have
a different address.
nubbins`: antonosika so let's say you signed
a normal contract, it included your name and your address.
nubbins`: but it's
a gpg contract, and it included
a gpg fingerprint
nubbins`: i could sire
a child tomorrow and name it anton osika.
mircea_popescu: tyhe contract also states the word "and". maybne that's
a name.
assbot: Things which are alike, in nature, grow to look alike, and the speaking stones have lain
a long time lookin' at the sun.
assbot: You cannot stop the clouds by the building of
a ship.
trinque: so my 15000 shares of
a failed ruby on rails startup, I lost infinity dollars
mircea_popescu: the assignment of
a negotiable can only be
a contract.
nubbins`: but first seems to explicitly disallow
a signed "plz deliver to this key instead" message.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` it's
a risky but perhaps useful approach. "All assignables belonging to key X should henceforth be transferred to key X which has full authority to bla bla"
anton_osika: mircea_popescu: Well my situation is regarding my life savings so it does matter
a bit less as of now.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu and fwiw "world of nubbins" is
a world in which contracts are entered and people retain their keys
mircea_popescu: this is crypto land. cryptographical credibility is required, and it has
a unique and very clearly defined underpinning.
anton_osika: My aim was to settle this with as much of my physical credibility at stake as possible. Which is why Anton Osika is my real username, with everything publicaly available on me (I'm in the phonebook). If ones physical identity can be
a backup for WoT then it might strengthen WoT.
nubbins`: specifically, this snipped sealed your fate: "in
a manner to be agreed upon thence"
trinque: nubbins`: yeah, just that some guy with
a particular gpg key would receive the eth
anton_osika: Could you let me have this with my freenode auth, if no one else claims to be antonosika, and I will stop pestering you and how is
a man of his words?
anton_osika: I still don't see that it explicitly states that antonosika needs
a signature for delivery however :)
anton_osika: mircea_popescu: Hey since I read your first draft of the contract between you and me I have learnt
a lot.
nubbins`: looks like it's tied to
a payout address and nothing else
anton_osika: trinque: It's not explicitly tied to
a gpg key in the contract, rather antonosika
anton_osika: I see it as fingerprints as
a tool for simplifying proofs of physical identities, not replacing them. Might be good for the sake of lowering worries when entering contracts to be able to specify point of delivery, if unquestioned, with an alternative identification?
anton_osika: Right, the way I see it is just that I had
a business deal regarding delivery but I lost my hands so I can sign no more documents.
BingoBoingo: anton_osika: There really anything I can advise other than working to develop
a time machine so you could have made better backups.
nubbins`: BET THERE'S
A STORY WE'LL NEVER HEAR BEHIND THAT
cazalla: goes beyond the parents these days though, kids are seen as owned by the community and all that shit, i expect to meet
a lot of opposition and resistance in the years ahead
☟︎ cazalla: of course, was more than
a kick in the ass
cazalla: trinque, i copped it from
a young age too and these are the only memories I have around the ages of 4-5 , not convinced it would actually do my son any benefit
trinque: cazalla: I'd say by about 2 or 3 you could encounter
a mild pop on the ass in my family for screaming fits and other carrying on
danielpbarron: nubbins`> "don't run away, sweetie, someone might take you!" to
a 3yo << reminds me of this odd phrase
a friend's son uses: "what's it gonna do to me?" // I suspect it's the result of public school teaching him that anything not blessed by the state is dangerous
trinque: but when they start developing
a personality, that's where I think you can do great damage by not teaching them self-restraint
cazalla: not at 20 months, maybe 6-7 years of age.. but who knows, maybe i've grown soft having not had
a fight or been punched in some time
☟︎ cazalla: trinque, i really don't think they'd understand or be able to make
a connection between their behaviour and your reaction
☟︎ trinque: seems
a simple formula: If you hit this thing that feeds you, it's going to kill you instead.
nubbins`: anyway, i'm way too selfish and irresponsible to sire
a child
nubbins`: as if "take you" has any meaning to
a toddler
nubbins`: "don't run away, sweetie, someone might take you!" to
a 3yo
trinque: because reason is something you fall out of the womb with, not something carved into your haphazard mess of
a brain
☟︎ nubbins`: as if being not very nice is
a thing this animal would abhor
cazalla: of course now, the parents don't respond by hitting back but by taking the kid through
a circus of doctors
trinque: isn't just
a disservice to her; that kid's going to be fucking useless
trinque: cazalla: sure, I only got my ass kicked when I was being
a moron.
cazalla: trinque, tbh, that made me even more determined, not saying not to hit kids but i think it needs to be applied in
a manner my own parents failed to do
danielpbarron: oh i just realized i was thinking of
a different game, but this one was also great.
nubbins`: the game's only $20usd, but they give you the wii u AND 3ds versions with purchase, and i don't have
a 3ds
nubbins`: we had
a few lemmings games, always fun
nubbins`: danielpbarron seems so. and there's
a level creation/sharing thing
nubbins`: danielpbarron let's go halfsies on
a game
trinque: let the cattle have their safe public school where they memorize
a few useful facts, and let the miscreants join some academy where their mistakes blow their hands off
danielpbarron: oh and I think I have
a "3ds" that someone left with me as collateral over
a bitcoin deal and later said keep it
nubbins`: cazalla i had
a similar device to your sky3ds or w/e for my original DS
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 22:49:42; cazalla: trinque, i threatened to shoot
a bunch of kids at my school via icq.. made front page of local rag and blurred out face on local tv, no name though :\ probably get 10 years like that isis kid these days
danielpbarron:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271941 << I got arrested in the principal's office when
a librarian who had
a grudge against me (she was the mother of some kids in the military and didn't like that i didn't stand for the "pledge of allegiance") ratted me out for yelling "i'm gonna kill you" (not in earnest, it was just the thing to say at the time) at some kids who made
a habit of teasing me
☝︎ nubbins`: going apeshit in the streets is generally
a direct result of treatment, either by other citizens or government
☟︎ trinque: muslims seem to be
a few degrees more willing to go apeshit in the streets, or worse
shinohai: I'll bet Islamic extremists are foaming at the mouth hoping to recruit
a few.
☟︎ trinque: the idea that
a million or more people are going to peacefully integrate with
a country of roughly 80 million is questionable
☟︎ nubbins`: "look, see? refugees throwing rocks at police" under
a photograph of
a football riot from 2012.
trinque: mega-lol @ germany committing to allowing in
a million refugees and closing its borders within
a span of days
nubbins`: as if you can't buy
a used smartphone for $100