asciilifeform: it works with 100 rapees but not with 200 lovers.

asciilifeform: point being that 'lover army' sums to 0 if you want 'unattributable computing' etc.

asciilifeform: that's how.

asciilifeform: we dun even have 3 reliable trb nodez.

asciilifeform: because the number of voluntary boxes is 3?

asciilifeform: this forces a star topology.

asciilifeform: as we have it, 99%+ of chump boxes can't get inbound ~anything.

asciilifeform: how does wot solve nat ?

asciilifeform: it is forced by nat, to a large extent.

asciilifeform: bot nodes can and often do get successfully forensically raped and point straight to c&c throne, which, ditto

asciilifeform: they don't actually solve the problem.

asciilifeform: probably it spent 100x that if you count the black efforts also.

asciilifeform: and yes, it is on. i personally watched usg blow ~50mil on homomorphicola, to 0 result.

asciilifeform: nobody actually invented the working thing tor purported to be.

asciilifeform: so posited. eeexcept in this case there was no display, no eternally turning wheel, but some dwarf hidden in the mechanism was turning a crank

asciilifeform: perpetuum mobile ?

asciilifeform: i' clearly missing sumthing

asciilifeform: what does '.. but don't touch' mean?

asciilifeform: and all the folks who believed that he didn't, are ~dead now

asciilifeform: except that hitler knew

asciilifeform: tor never worked tho

asciilifeform: and never, e.g., obummer

asciilifeform: where i noted that 'jailed for child pr0nz' only EVER happens to folks who a) need to have problemz b) plebe meat to keep the blades greased

asciilifeform: we had a cp thread iirc

asciilifeform: they never seem to run out of heads tho

asciilifeform: 'she floated, therefore witch' also 'worked'.

asciilifeform: it will vanish with the muppet audience, and not before

asciilifeform: elaborate?

asciilifeform: any of it.

asciilifeform: we dun have the tech for 'can't discern'

asciilifeform: walk me through the connection ?

asciilifeform: $s pebble reactor

asciilifeform: (and recall, sane folk dream of abolishing such thing, not cementing it)

asciilifeform: it is bad enough that we use mains grid.

asciilifeform: all kolhoz is equally bovinizing.

asciilifeform: i dun find electrical communism, where i somehow need some derps across the town to add my own 2+2 and save the result, any more appealing than the other kinds.

asciilifeform: and does not need to plug into a tap of forktronium from external world

asciilifeform: physically local

asciilifeform: Lly local

asciilifeform: the fork i eat with is physics

asciilifeform: not same at all

asciilifeform: and 'can go across street and buy new one' != 'cloudized' !

asciilifeform: it is really only a photograph.

asciilifeform: cpu is cheaper to reproduce than steel fork.

asciilifeform: at any rate i was excluded from various things, like felt top hats, long ago, and will doubtless be excluded from other nice things, like forks and livers, in the future, but it does not follow that random rubbish now logically substitutes for the missing items.

asciilifeform: *the h

asciilifeform: but afaik it does not.

asciilifeform: if he homomorphic thing existed, i would be inclined to agree with mircea_popescu

asciilifeform: not solvable by trying to outsource liver to 1024 chinese.

asciilifeform: not only fork.

asciilifeform: obama can confiscate my liver.

asciilifeform: fork is also not cloudizable.

asciilifeform: do i need dirigible to have fork in my kitchen ?

asciilifeform: like rotting racoon on a hot summer road, it is ok dinner for ants, but not for us...

asciilifeform: anywhere else, it readily breaks down into barf

asciilifeform: 'cloud' works for certain specific purposes, like ddos, where the malfeasance of any number of individual drones has 0 consequence.

asciilifeform: or satellite loses orbit, reactor melts, privkey bits leak, cats fuck dogs, ragnarok.

asciilifeform: who MUST get 4 when they 2+2, every single time, and within 1ns, hell or high water

asciilifeform: not so for actual people.

asciilifeform: so nobody gives half a fuck.

asciilifeform: more likely than not, the creator of the atrocity will even continue to get paid, while the crater smoulders

asciilifeform: it isn't as if the random rubytardation was connected to a reactor that will melt down now.

asciilifeform: aws lost the disk? no tears!

asciilifeform: it is because their crud doesn't actually need to work!

asciilifeform: it is also worth noting why chickens appear to work so well for the tard crowd

asciilifeform: but http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1492111 is neither here nor there. ☝︎

asciilifeform: 1024 chickens cannot replace my ox, now or ever, for perfectly fundamental physical reasons. which does not mean that the chickens cannot propel some cart, somewhere, in approx correct direction.

asciilifeform: lel

asciilifeform: imho 'cloud' is ~crud.

asciilifeform: for one thing, no machines outside of my house can carry out the functions of 1 machine inside. various reasons - cryptohygiene, speed of light, reliability.

asciilifeform: it remains possible that 'cloud' == 'rent out space inside your nose' , though.

asciilifeform tunes in

asciilifeform: what the useful payload is.

asciilifeform: i was wondering what we want it to do, that can later not be disrupted etc.

asciilifeform: was there moar?

asciilifeform: 'The goal of TMSR as far as computing is concerned is to deploy a cheap, effectual, networked computing interface that can not be disrupted significantly under any circumstances by any adversary for whatever reason.'

asciilifeform: it is worth thinking about wtf the point of uci was

asciilifeform: snore.

asciilifeform: ssh

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: you already have that latter one

asciilifeform: thus far i can't offer anything but same stone knife and bear skin mircea_popescu offers.

asciilifeform: where the magic privkey is central throne of failure.

asciilifeform: so far i also feel foolish because unable to come up with any serious improvement over traditional 20th c chumpnet.

asciilifeform: l0l

asciilifeform: cold xor swamp

asciilifeform: 'why not eat broken glass?' '1) dun taste so good 2) ......'

asciilifeform: phf: so they weren't.

asciilifeform: so far this is kindergarten botronics

asciilifeform: srsly

asciilifeform: instead of 100000000 fuhrer-to-slave dispatches

asciilifeform: phf: it buys you fuhrer-to-swarm broadcast

asciilifeform: ^

asciilifeform: where do you hide a nest in that?!

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the sewer rats cannot abide small, simple things

asciilifeform: and certainly not 100kB of sad..

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: reimplementing eth would be sad tho.

asciilifeform: phf: reading is cheap.

asciilifeform: but yes, the only topologies i know of for this are the traditional star, with 'signed by fuhrer - blob runs, no - not' or ... reimplementing bitcoin

asciilifeform: and - ideally - succumb to doing some useful work on their own as well.

asciilifeform: the important thing is that usg's 1,000,000,001 emulated uci sybils should have no bearing on the workings of genuine nodez.