asciilifeform: jhu (posh, private) and umbc (government)

asciilifeform: there are ~two~ large campusen in bmore

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: precisely where i will be visiting.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: jhu !

asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: german enclave

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you could get entire street for less than your diesel cost

asciilifeform: not quite diribigle-grade, but cheap!111111

asciilifeform: i'ma be lookin' at 2 boxes tonight

asciilifeform: should i be scouting bmore digs for mircea_popescu, lel ?

asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: visit barriloche

asciilifeform: lel

asciilifeform: nazi colony in antarctica ?

asciilifeform: so where can we visit actual-people-land ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you'd prefer ted turner's latifundias to the current fauna ?

asciilifeform: 'he wears his heart safety-pinned to his backpack, his backpack is all that he knows!' (tm) (r)

asciilifeform: $up gabriel_laddel

asciilifeform falls down

asciilifeform: ^^!

asciilifeform: what's with robber who puts pistol ~back in pocket~ ?!

asciilifeform: did the robber get stabbed? hard to tell from the clip exactly what

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: when the proprietor went for a smoke ?

asciilifeform: we have a literal meta-africa here

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i still question that anybody with two legs, anywhere, is dumber than the folx here in good ol' phreeeeeeedomlande

asciilifeform: which

asciilifeform: phf: it does

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fefeleaga!1111

asciilifeform: i dun get it

asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: who would you like to gas in ~south~ america ?

asciilifeform: $s anarchotyranny

asciilifeform: hoodrats are the loyal servants of feds

asciilifeform: (mega-unsurprise)

asciilifeform: and aren't welcoming randos.

asciilifeform: armanent business is a well-colonized thing, the power players know who they are.

asciilifeform: re the turrets

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-02#1495076 << yer still thinking like a young fella, i.e. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-11#1465891 ☝︎☝︎

asciilifeform: $up gabriel_laddel

asciilifeform: faster/longer.

asciilifeform: and had pretty obvious 'purpose' - 'wouldntcha like to go faster on this set of horse'

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-02#1495045 << can't resist this invitation: first railroads were horse-drawn ☝︎

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: also, lajka

asciilifeform: how many can say anything actionable about either.

asciilifeform: they also heard of neutrino.

asciilifeform: p40gr3555555555!!!!!!!!!!!

asciilifeform: http://beyondnumbers.lvablog.com/2014/11/18/how-casinos-cheat-part-ii-heads-i-win-tails-you-lose << lulzy

asciilifeform bbl, will soon fall down

asciilifeform: 'dec alpha' etc

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-02#1494780 << start of thread ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-02#1494805 << ? ☝︎

asciilifeform: 'replace asciilifeform's comp with 10,000 bots' != 'replace horse with car.' but == 'replace horse with 500kg of insect on strings'

asciilifeform: now i must sleep a bit, expedition to the bmore epicentre tomorrow, but i will return to this.

asciilifeform: entirely

asciilifeform: and less failure-prone

asciilifeform: i bet 500kg of beetle is cheaper than horse

asciilifeform: why not!111

asciilifeform: beetles, note, did not.

asciilifeform: something gotta count the votez

asciilifeform: mno.

asciilifeform: i was addressing the 'replace my comp' aspect

asciilifeform: it - yes

asciilifeform: and other idiocies

asciilifeform: and still end up resorting to obfuscating the client

asciilifeform: 'seti@home' et al approach the problem by burning the lion's share of cycles on verification/duplication.

asciilifeform: show me how to compute it on N boxes, some of which may be malign.

asciilifeform: the 8ball.

asciilifeform: take simple example

asciilifeform: *computing

asciilifeform: nobody's creaming his pants re prospect of comouting with them.

asciilifeform: already largely implemented by classical botnets.

asciilifeform: it is quite like, e.g., tokamak for fusion.

asciilifeform: anyway i dun actually disagree with mircea_popescu re 'delocalized computing is spiffy'. simply must pointout that we ~don't have it~ and that all of the proposed mechanisms put us no closer to it.

asciilifeform: the folks who try to mathematicize away the physicalities, end up urbiting.

asciilifeform: last i checked computing, like shooting, was still something we do on sadly physical and very limited contraptions.

asciilifeform: not with dna.

asciilifeform: but in actual physical world, when it is time to shoot a frogman you do it with proper chunk of bent metal.

asciilifeform: it is very easy for undifferentiated, amorphous chunks of possibility to appear 'correct everywhere'

asciilifeform: we laugh at usg's submarine-tankoplane.

asciilifeform: and a chimera that tries to work in both land and water, is correct nowhere.

asciilifeform: (seen underwater kalash?)

asciilifeform: correct on land is not correct under water, and vice versa

asciilifeform: correct takes <argument>

asciilifeform: but how do you build correct process pistol without some notion of target ? is it on land? under water? armoured? etc

asciilifeform: 'i have this pistol because IT IS HUGE mutherfackerz'

asciilifeform: not usg?

asciilifeform: so who is the target of the obfuscatron ? malevolent martians?

asciilifeform: most cp convictions, say, are ~= witch trial

asciilifeform: for fuxxsake usg long ago dispensed with absolutes re evidential standards

asciilifeform: this - possibly.

asciilifeform: .

asciilifeform: same idea here,

asciilifeform: y'know, my toilet doesn't log, but if flush a blended corpse down it, it is not so difficult to prove later, where it went.

asciilifeform: now i'm lost

asciilifeform: ergo 'bbet logged'

asciilifeform: the reasonable supposition is that all plaintext going a kilometre or longer outdoors is logged.

asciilifeform: upstream had logs!111

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if not this, then what?

asciilifeform: (if tor actually worked, they would have had to, or to give up)

asciilifeform: i.e. they were not able to confiscate and search every box in ipv4 space to see which was sr

asciilifeform: unless i catastrophically misunderstand, the point of 'can't connect event with physical box' is to make usg inquisitions prohibitively expensive

asciilifeform: per http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-02#1494891 ☝︎

asciilifeform: the involuntary participation is key.