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mircea_popescu: i get it, you want a woman that's transparent and doesn't bleed.

asciilifeform: the part i'm objecting to is the sequence # thing

asciilifeform: i don't like the fact that i gotta say it in cleartext !

mircea_popescu: i never comprehended the "anonimity" securityt posture, but whatever.

asciilifeform: realize that there can be no useful gossipd except with something like what is described above (i.e. udp but with protocol != 17)

mircea_popescu: atm, im blaming udp. and i would very much like to see it go away, right now. ☟︎☟︎

mircea_popescu reserves the sovereign right to blame anyhone on the path to the "accident" he chooses. so no, it's not "the misconfigured routers", i'm not the pitbull you put in the doorway, slam the door and it then "blames the misconfigured door".

assbot: Logged on 30-07-2015 14:57:20; mircea_popescu: i find it kinda curious that asciilifeform and decimation can at the same time hold the discussion of political time we had recently in mind, and ALSO think breaking udp, or doing away with ntp is a bad idea.

mircea_popescu: o i see.

asciilifeform: i mean, they can't walk in any faster than the 100Mb ethernet into the bldg

kakobrekla: i am at online.net, recommended by davout (paymium). they have serveral levels of infrastructure to mitigate attacks.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm on a consumer fiber and, with modern hardware on my end (by no means six-figure), udp flood does not touch me.

kakobrekla: and i dont even have udp blocked.

kakobrekla: as far as i can tell the attacker of qntra (trilema?) is the same as it was of bitbet last ddos.

mircea_popescu: no, i am against udp.

mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i might. atm not really a big enough deal, whatever, some people can't read trilema for half a day or w/e. but we were discussing the general point.

mircea_popescu: decimation yes, unfortunately, yhet another advantage for shithole cloud. "hey, we drop udp at least". exactly the good cop bad cop alf was proposing. but i am not moving to fuckingf cloud, and im not using fucking cloudflare and so fucking om.

kakobrekla: i moved.

kakobrekla: i was in the place where mp is and they wouldnt do it.

kakobrekla: i wasnt talking about clold specifically.

decimation: I thought this was pretty standard for 'adult' cloud services

mircea_popescu: no more udp => no more dns, no more ntp. win of all fucking time, i'd pay to see this happen tomorrow.

mircea_popescu: i find it kinda curious that asciilifeform and decimation can at the same time hold the discussion of political time we had recently in mind, and ALSO think breaking udp, or doing away with ntp is a bad idea. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: i still wish udp died, and with it all the "Services" it provides. starting with dns, ntp and come to think about it

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ftr, i am noit proposing orphan-block TCP is any better. shouldreally be TCP/OB

mircea_popescu: i'd count this as a plus.

mircea_popescu: in any case : if it were the rule that udp gets dropped universally, i wouldn't have to have above convo with provider.

mircea_popescu: i handle about two ddos attacks a week.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nope, those i filter ok.

decimation: I process 1 gigE udp at line rate on commodity server

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the sort of machine that currently goes down is well i nthe six figure range.

mircea_popescu: dude get out srsly. i had dedicated machinery go down because random muppet + udp.

mircea_popescu: i gotta check keys. takes memory allocation. ddos.

asciilifeform: this is, i argue, an avoidable calamity

asciilifeform: bringing back state and 'i just showed up and you have no idea who i am but can i pleeez have some bytes of storage'

asciilifeform: what i'd really like to see is what mircea_popescu proposes i use for single-packet auth that 1) isn't udp 2) existing net will reliably route 3) existing os will agree to emit without any new code running as root

asciilifeform: i know this because it is not spewing same thing every five minutes

asciilifeform: 'back' is 'item is in memory cache but now isn't there when i load, it must have un-happened'

lobbes: yeah, I think that is the problem, which it should be able to handle

asciilifeform: i explained this in agonizing detail. it is in the log.

asciilifeform: i did warn.

asciilifeform: lobbes: i warned many times that the dates on phuctor are meaningless

lobbes: I do notice the dates change on phuctor RSS

asciilifeform: i.e. loads a momentarily-down phuctor and says 'null set'

asciilifeform: i suspect that lobbesbot has an elementary bug where it allows rss feed to ratchet backwards

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i haven't any notion as to ~why~

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so if i restart trilema, it doesn't pop them out again

lobbes: aye, I'ma have to edit teh python

lobbes: which, I guess doesn't store history

lobbes: well, I'm using the default 'supybot' RSS plugin

lobbes: williamdunne: if your bot can store teh history, feel free to take over. If not, then first one there wins, I guess ;/

pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: any idea why qntra snarfed my comment ? i tried posting again but i'm being told it's a "duplicate". somehow stuck in moderation ?

asciilifeform: trinque: i did this experiment, and found quite a few variations (machine version strings - srsly, wtf gcc ? an automated annihilator for these is a necessity) ; optimizations

trinque: asciilifeform: I did a binary diff between your binary posted to the ML and mine using bsdiff; the result was about 60kb

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i see a difference of degree only

mircea_popescu: dja see the difference between "hmm, i intuit in my urine that x86 sucks" and "lolut, 120v?

mircea_popescu: i imagine as long as "9 volt batteries or hunt rats by candlelight" is the choice, there's going to be a lot of "9 volt" systems out there too.

mircea_popescu: i don't see it.

mircea_popescu: i guess you could get 120 if you absolutely want it, via generators

mircea_popescu: raped-for-being-white is, i hear, a fact of life for the losers of the 3rd boer war

mircea_popescu: i'm sure all sorts of things are not daily curious to various troglodytes.

asciilifeform: i dare to suggest that there is not a single transoceanic line or satellite in orbit that usg could not arbitrarily diddle, or remove entirely, at their pleasure.

mircea_popescu: i guess you get to see the wonder to believe the wonder then.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i don't see this picture where it is absent in us but somehow present in patagonia

asciilifeform: this is different from 'i recommend that mircea_popescu filter all unsigned udp at his door'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the link concerned ~infrastructure~. usg is trying so that when i get my signed udp, and try to send it to mircea_popescu, it won't leave my street even.

asciilifeform: note that i'm all for rejecting unsigned udp

asciilifeform: and i suppose i will write letters to mircea_popescu and spirit them out in the rectums of pig carcasses loaded onto the great sailing ships ?

asciilifeform: i will say it again, the push against udp is usg disinfo. and everyone who buys into it should retreat to the library with a copy of richard stevens and think very carefully.

mircea_popescu: do that, then i'll change my mind.

mircea_popescu: i don't care what you need. fuck you and your needs. the infrastructure can't support udp in the current configuration. you don't get udp for this reason.

asciilifeform: whether it is done with udp as such or raw ip (i.e. udp with protocol field set to 666) is immaterial

mircea_popescu: i wish it were made a law that no isp may provide udp connectivity for a price under the minimum wage.

mircea_popescu: once aol was allowed online, it necessarily followed no udp. i'm sick of having to deal with it.

mircea_popescu: re http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-byrne-opsec-udp-advisory-00#page-3 < i think it's a fabulous idea. udp belongs the same place finger, telnet and email belong. the scrapheap of a different world, one where undergrads did not have internet access.

assbot: Logged on 30-07-2015 12:13:43; jurov: every time i asked how, eventually it boiled down to depend on retroactivity

asciilifeform: 'In the case of WebRTC [I-D.draft-ietf-rtcweb-transports], TURN [RFC5766] should be used to concentrate and manage a known-good UDP flows.' <<< ahahaha, 'pleeez herd all yer packetz through usg middleman box'

shinohai: I had no problem installing, etc. per instructions. Now it is just using it to do actually build something.

shinohai: Well, I know what I gotta do thisweekend.

asciilifeform: shinohai: but you don't really need the manual unless you are doing something more clever than anything i've done so far

assbot: Logged on 30-07-2015 10:48:40; jurov: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-byrne-opsec-udp-advisory-00 i had to check it isn't 1st april

assbot: Logged on 30-07-2015 06:32:42; trinque: asciilifeform: mod6: ben_vulpes: hey, I fixed rotor.sh on my box by adding --host=x86_64-linux to the configure step for bdb

shinohai: It's interesting to think about. I just like the summary of Christianity - which, because I live in that "One Nation under GAWD" I get rather sick of hearing the masses go on about. ☟︎

jurov: every time i asked how, eventually it boiled down to depend on retroactivity ☟︎☟︎

shinohai: If I were a derpy redditor, I would tip mp for that article. One of my favorite yet.

BingoBoingo: AH, I started reading it before scoopy found it ☟︎

jurov: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-byrne-opsec-udp-advisory-00 i had to check it isn't 1st april ☟︎☟︎

shinohai: Great, I need something good to read. All I have read is utter shit this week.

trinque: asciilifeform: mod6: ben_vulpes: hey, I fixed rotor.sh on my box by adding --host=x86_64-linux to the configure step for bdb ☟︎

lobbes: ;;later tell asciilifeform Did some research and looks like I'm going to have to actually edit the plugin for supybot RSS in order to get lobbesbot to store history. I know SQL, but not python. In other words, I gotta teach myself how to make it insert into a table, and check it before spitting out RSS feeds. I'll keep you posted. But for now, I sleep.

decimation: the stator I built a month ago is almost to 335k

asciilifeform: why would i give half a fuck about usg ceremonies

asciilifeform: i can't bring myself to even try to read this.

decimation: I was meaning 'compile to vhdl'

asciilifeform: decimation: as i said, not so much hardware to support

decimation: asciilifeform: yeah, I know

asciilifeform: but i will never know

BingoBoingo: I'm looking forward to March of 2017 where at this rate Bitcoin successfully becomes a device.