asciilifeform: also i don't have palpable eval delays in sbcl, what the fuq

asciilifeform: (do you even have to use crapple's compiler ?)

asciilifeform: just the compiler.

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: y'know, you don't have to use it, to build for the pnohe

asciilifeform: l0l xcode

asciilifeform: in urban usa, their attrition rate is a wonder to behold

asciilifeform: ah hm.

asciilifeform: why not postman

asciilifeform: not postmen, not patent clerks, but police, firemen, etc

asciilifeform: the moar interesting aspect imho is ~which~ civil servants they arbitrarily picked as proxy for 'won't deal dope' or whatever it is.

asciilifeform: aha.

asciilifeform: so 1 at a time.

asciilifeform: nah apparently you gotta live in it

asciilifeform: 'Law enforcement officers, pre-Kindergarten through 12th grade teachers, firefighters and emergency medical technicians can contribute to community revitalization while becoming homeowners through HUD's Good Neighbor Next Door Sales Program. HUD offers a substantial incentive in the form of a discount of 50% from the list price of the home. In return you must commit to live in the property for 36 months as your sole residence.'

asciilifeform: in other non-nyooz, apparently this exists, http://portal.hud.gov/hudportal/HUD?src=/program_offices/housing/sfh/reo/goodn/gnndabot

asciilifeform: waiwut

asciilifeform: dafuq is that

asciilifeform: lel

asciilifeform: SCAM

asciilifeform: they are both With!1111

asciilifeform: 'The suspicious death of a pet snake puts a chokehold on a loving father.'

asciilifeform looks into 'pet world'

asciilifeform: l0l!

asciilifeform: anyway ben_vulpes's son is also panda, like pete's !11

asciilifeform has monumentally nfi. maybe whole thing was cia front.

asciilifeform: some indy film, i suppose?

asciilifeform: nfi

asciilifeform: i have pet stationed 100% there

asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it's a perfectly respectable job!1111

asciilifeform: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm5211871

asciilifeform: apparently ben_vulpes's woman is a movie star!111

asciilifeform: so what, then, is switch ?

asciilifeform: they had these stickers with, something like, 'sadist', 'masochist', 'both'

asciilifeform has monumentally nfi

asciilifeform: the stickerz in mircea_popescu's club lied to me!1111

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: esp if you count the sadomasochists!111

asciilifeform: (and the unexistence of the backup can never, in principle, be demonstrated.)

asciilifeform: at which point - bang.

asciilifeform: fact is, at some point those backup keyz will be worth more than whatever decades-old reputation the retired casascius etc folk had.

asciilifeform: even in the zoo.

asciilifeform: sorta how racoon submerges his food, because 'must fish'

asciilifeform: esp now that i recall the 'physical gold' folks' reaction to bitcoin

asciilifeform: it sorta makes sense

asciilifeform: would lead a nubbins to prefer one 'gold' brick to other.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: curious, which sexual reasons

asciilifeform: (i know of it solely from l0gz and mircea_popescu's recollection)

asciilifeform: it was like ~every other ponzi, iirc

asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: eat enough honey, and you end up in BingoBoingo's pics.

asciilifeform: people enjoy plenty of bad habits.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-05#1463317 << obligatory ☝︎

asciilifeform: or in mircea_popescu household, is slaving over php substituted for sex, because it is just as fun to do for the 1,000,001st time ?

asciilifeform: lel

asciilifeform: iirc google's implementation was the only one, and turned out so buggy that they axed it.

asciilifeform: i have nfi why.

asciilifeform: and even existed for a spell, and was then abolished

asciilifeform: anyway 'mathml' was supposed to have been a thing.

asciilifeform: i thought mircea_popescu hated 2d notations!1111

asciilifeform: thestringpuller: twist is that 'physical btc' can be tungstened ~remotely~ at ~any time~

asciilifeform: and iirc this exists... is called... tex!

asciilifeform: (server side)

asciilifeform: processor to bitmap, would be another matter

asciilifeform: no 300MB turds in my browser, plox.

asciilifeform: so no.

asciilifeform: can you even picture, the mass

asciilifeform: it'd be mondo heavy

asciilifeform: incidentally thestringpuller notice what happens when settlement ~is~ 'unknown number of decades.' you get vaults full of tungsten gold.

asciilifeform: (i have nfi why folks send me this stuff.)

asciilifeform: ;;later tell ben_vulpes https://au.pinterest.com/karafern << yer pet posted photos? spiffy log cabin ☟︎

asciilifeform: that's for sure.

asciilifeform: not 'unknown # of years or possibly never'

asciilifeform: thestringpuller: that they play iterated dilemma. their settlements don't take decades.

asciilifeform: precisely the kind of fundamental bad idea that leads to 'no one could have predicted!1111' (tm) (r).

asciilifeform: and steered with reins.

asciilifeform: 'physical btc' is fundamentally, physically, a bad idea, like trying to build an airplane that runs on hay and oats.

asciilifeform: or it will be blamed on you, and the cheap and readily available, by that time, device for reading key through the paper sticker, will create the necessary confusion re who the 'real sc4mz0r' is, in the eyes of others

asciilifeform: thestringpuller: you won't be able to pin it on casascius. it'll be blamed on 'hack', or even crypto break, or even on your house having been broken into once at some point with 'nothing stolen'

asciilifeform: in bezzlandia at least they have the decency to make government bond, which is what 'physical coin' fundamentally resembles, worth more than the sticker price, at least nominally

asciilifeform: it is a thing with 0 up-side, like putting arm into bear trap

asciilifeform: 'only strategy is defect' means: 'spend 0 because you are quite likely to lose ALL'

asciilifeform: srsly this is hard concept ?

asciilifeform: wot ONLY WORKS FOR ITERATED PD

asciilifeform: sigh.

asciilifeform: and they can cash out when btc is worth $maxint but before most of the chumps scratch that hologram.

asciilifeform: correctly supposing that folks will wait for years, decades, to open the package

asciilifeform: and that a substantial fraction, perhaps ALL, of minters, kept backups.

asciilifeform: i posit that 'physical bitcoin' is a ~single shot~ prisoner's dilemma.

asciilifeform: 'defect'.

asciilifeform: STANDARD, single-shot prisoner's dilemma, has EXACTLY ONE SANE STRATEGY: ☟︎

asciilifeform: what we know as 'you fuck me, i negrate'

asciilifeform: iterated pd has a nash equilibrium, 'tit for tat'

asciilifeform: is everyone here familiar with standard vs iterated prisoner's dilemma ?

asciilifeform: y'know, that one, 'Embezzlement, Galbraith observed, has the property that “weeks, months, or years elapse between the commission of the crime and its discovery. This is the period, incidentally, when the embezzler has his gain and the man who has been embezzled feels no loss. There is a net increase in psychic wealth.” Galbraith described that increase in wealth as “the bezzle.”'

asciilifeform: galbraith's original bezzle

asciilifeform: because it creates the necessary conditions for bezzle, but without any upside

asciilifeform: the 'physical coin' is a fundamentally, definitionally bezzlatronic device

asciilifeform: for all of the recourse you will have.

asciilifeform: thestringpuller: in so far as you, user of 'physical coin', will be concerned, it may as well have been martians, yes.

asciilifeform: or, or, or.